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Mammothfail

2009-05-14T17:33:16Z

Coffeeandink: fixed more broken links

[[Category: Race]] [[Category: Fandom]] [[Category: Online discussions]] [[Category: 2009 events]]

Author [[Jo Walton]] posted a [http://www.tor.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=blog&id=26059|positive review] of [[Patricia C. Wrede]]'s young adult novel, <i>The Thirteenth Child</i>, describing the premise as:

<blockquote> The elevator pitch for Thirteenth Child would be “Little House on the Prairie with mammoths and magic.”

This is an alternate version of our world which is full of magic, and where America (“Columbia”) was discovered empty of people but full of dangerous animals, many of them magical.</blockquote>

Several commenters expressed discomfort with the premise as reifying the racist erasure of American Indians, First Nations, and Polynesian Islanders from colonialist histories of the Americas. [http://www.tor.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=blog&id=26059#26260 Kate Nepveu commented],

<blockquote>And now my immediate reaction was "ack, it's a frontier story where American Indians have been literally and completely erased?!"</blockquote>

[http://www.tor.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=blog&id=26059#26467 Glass_icarus added]:

<blockquote>My problem with "OK, let's look at it in a world without the genocide and the slavery" isn't, in fact, the genocide and slavery-free aspect; it's the fact that in order to achieve that, the victims of the genocide and slavery have been erased.</blockquote>

There has been [http://naraht.dreamwidth.org/tag/race:13th+child considerable further commentary], particularly in response to defenses of Wrede's work raised by [[Lois McMaster Bujold]], which did not address the critiques made and followed many of the patterns observed in [[RaceFail 09]].

Mammothfail

2009-05-14T17:31:40Z

Coffeeandink: fixed broken tag

[[Category: Race]] [[Category: Fandom]] [[Category: Online discussions]] [[Category: 2009 events]]

Author [[Jo Walton]] posted a [http://www.tor.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=blog&id=26059|positive review] of [[Patricia C. Wrede]]'s young adult novel, <i>The Thirteenth Child</i>, describing the premise as:

<blockquote> The elevator pitch for Thirteenth Child would be “Little House on the Prairie with mammoths and magic.”

This is an alternate version of our world which is full of magic, and where America (“Columbia”) was discovered empty of people but full of dangerous animals, many of them magical.</blockquote>

Several commenters expressed discomfort with the premise as reifying the racist erasure of American Indians, First Nations, and Polynesian Islanders from colonialist histories of the Americas. [http://www.tor.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=blog&id=26059#26260| Kate Nepveu commented],

<blockquote>And now my immediate reaction was "ack, it's a frontier story where American Indians have been literally and completely erased?!"</blockquote>

[http://www.tor.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=blog&id=26059#26467| Glass_icarus added]:

<blockquote>My problem with "OK, let's look at it in a world without the genocide and the slavery" isn't, in fact, the genocide and slavery-free aspect; it's the fact that in order to achieve that, the victims of the genocide and slavery have been erased.</blockquote>

There has been [http://naraht.dreamwidth.org/tag/race:13th+child | considerable further commentary], particularly in response to defenses of Wrede's work raised by [[Lois McMaster Bujold]], which did not address the critiques made and followed many of the patterns observed in [[RaceFail 09]].

Mammothfail

2009-05-14T17:30:48Z

Coffeeandink: grammatical fix

[[Category: Race]] [[Category: Fandom]] [[Category: Online discussions]] [[Category: 2009 events]]

Author [[Jo Walton]] posted a [http://www.tor.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=blog&id=26059|positive review] of [[Patricia C. Wrede]]'s young adult novel, <i>The Thirteenth Child</i>, describing the premise as:

<blockquote> The elevator pitch for Thirteenth Child would be “Little House on the Prairie with mammoths and magic.”

This is an alternate version of our world which is full of magic, and where America (“Columbia”) was discovered empty of people but full of dangerous animals, many of them magical.</blockquote>

Several commenters expressed discomfort with the premise as reifying the racist erasure of American Indians, First Nations, and Polynesian Islanders from colonialist histories of the Americas. [http://www.tor.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=blog&id=26059#26260| Kate Nepveu commented],

<blockquote>And now my immediate reaction was "ack, it's a frontier story where American Indians have been literally and completely erased?!"</blockquote>

[http://www.tor.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=blog&id=26059#26467| Glass_icarus added]:

<blockquote>My problem with "OK, let's look at it in a world without the genocide and the slavery" isn't, in fact, the genocide and slavery-free aspect; it's the fact that in order to achieve that, the victims of the genocide and slavery have been erased.</blockquote>

There has been [http://naraht.dreamwidth.org/tag/race:13th+child| considerable further commentary], particularly in response to defenses of Wrede's work raised by [[Lois McMaster Bujold]], which did not address the critiques made and followed many of the patterns observed in [[RaceFail 09]].

Mammothfail

2009-05-14T17:28:50Z

Coffeeandink: corrected sentence which didn't make sense, linked bujold's responses to racefail09

[[Category: Race]] [[Category: Fandom]] [[Category: Online discussions]] [[Category: 2009 events]]

Author [[Jo Walton]] posted a [http://www.tor.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=blog&id=26059|positive review] of [[Patricia C. Wrede]]'s young adult novel, <i>The Thirteenth Child</i>, describing the premise as:

<blockquote> The elevator pitch for Thirteenth Child would be “Little House on the Prairie with mammoths and magic.”

This is an alternate version of our world which is full of magic, and where America (“Columbia”) was discovered empty of people but full of dangerous animals, many of them magical.</blockquote>

Several commenters expressed discomfort with the premise as reifying the racist erasure of American Indians, First Nations, and Polynesian Islanders from colonialist histories of the Americas. [http://www.tor.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=blog&id=26059#26260| Kate Nepveu commented],

<blockquote>And now my immediate reaction was "ack, it's a frontier story where American Indians have been literally and completely erased?!"</blockquote>

[http://www.tor.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=blog&id=26059#26467| Glass_icarus added]:

<blockquote>My problem with "OK, let's look at it in a world without the genocide and the slavery" isn't, in fact, the genocide and slavery-free aspect; it's the fact that in order to achieve that, the victims of the genocide and slavery have been erased.</blockquote>

There has been considerable further commentary, particularly in response to defenses of Wrede's work raised by [[Lois McMaster Bujold]], which did not address the critiques made and followed many of the patterns observed in [[RaceFail 09]], which is being tracked by [http://naraht.dreamwidth.org/tag/race:13th+child| naraht].

Mammothfail

2009-05-14T16:28:47Z

Coffeeandink: page created

[[Category: Race]] [[Category: Fandom]] [[Category: Online discussions]] [[Category: 2009 events]]

Author [[Jo Walton]] posted a [http://www.tor.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=blog&id=26059|positive review] of [[Patricia C. Wrede]]'s young adult novel, <i>The Thirteenth Child</i>, describing the premise as:

<blockquote> The elevator pitch for Thirteenth Child would be “Little House on the Prairie with mammoths and magic.”

This is an alternate version of our world which is full of magic, and where America (“Columbia”) was discovered empty of people but full of dangerous animals, many of them magical.</blockquote>

Several commenters expressed discomfort with the premise as reifying the racist erasure of American Indians, First Nations, and Polynesian Islanders from colonialist histories of the Americas. [http://www.tor.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=blog&id=26059#26260| Kate Nepveu commented],

<blockquote>And now my immediate reaction was "ack, it's a frontier story where American Indians have been literally and completely erased?!"</blockquote>

[http://www.tor.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=blog&id=26059#26467| Glass_icarus added]:

<blockquote>My problem with "OK, let's look at it in a world without the genocide and the slavery" isn't, in fact, the genocide and slavery-free aspect; it's the fact that in order to achieve that, the victims of the genocide and slavery have been erased.</blockquote>

There has been considerable further commentary, particularly in response to defenses of Wrede's work raised by [[Lois McMaster Bujold]], which did not address the critiques made and implied that much of which has been tracked by
[http://naraht.dreamwidth.org/tag/race:13th+child| naraht].

Works by women eligible for 2009 SF Awards

2009-02-12T19:50:56Z

Coffeeandink: /* Novels */ added Holly Phillips' Engine's Child

This is a list of works written by women and eligible for SF awards to be given out in 2009 based on works published from January 1, 2008, to December 31, 2008. Awards that follow this eligibility format include the Hugo, the Campbell, the World Fantasy Award, the Tiptree, and the Phillip K. Dick. (The Nebulas have a rolling period of eligibility for nomination based on the specific date a work was published.) We're listing these works as a form of [[award activism]]: to bring them greater attention, to share information about them for ourselves, and to help avoid problems like the [[2006 Hugo vacuum]]. See [[Eligibility and voting by award]] for a quick index of information about individual awards, and links to the individual award pages for more detail.

Please include here ''any eligible work'', along with the relevant information: title, publication date, and format. For novels, it's useful to search Amazon for the author's name: the list of works has publication date and format right there.

Note: Some awards are based on ''first publication'' and other awards are based on first publication in the US, England, etc. If a work was first published outside of the time period but would be eligible for some awards, please add it and add in parentheses any restrictions or explanations about eligibility.

Related: [[Women eligible for 2009 SF Awards]]

* See [[Eligibility and voting by award]]
* See [[Award activism]]
* See [[2006 Hugo vacuum]]

== Book Length Fiction ==

=== Novels ===
Hugo, World Fantasy, Locus, Bram Stoker and Campbell Memorial eligible: if published in paperback in the US, Philip K. Dick eligible

*[[Kelley Armstrong]], ''Personal Demon'' (March 2008, Orbit)
*[[Kage Baker]], ''Or Else My Lady Keeps the Key'' (March 2008, Subterranean Press)
*[[Elizabeth Bear]], ''Dust'' (January 2008, Bantam Spectra)
*[[Anne Bishop]], ''Tangled Webs'' (March 2008, Roc)
*[[Marie Brennan]], ''Midnight Never Come'' (June 2008, Orbit)
*[[Lois McMaster Bujold]] ''The Sharing Knife: Passage'' (February 2008, Eos)
*[[Suzanne Collins]], ''The Hunger Games'' (2008)
*[[Jenny Davidson]], ''The Explosionist'' (October 2008, Harper)
*[[Kate Elliott]], ''[[Shadow Gate]]'' (February 2008, Little Brown UK/Orbit)
*[[Bernadine Evaristo]], ''Blonde Roots'' (2008, Hamish Hamilton)
*[[Jaine Fenn]], ''Principles of Angels'' (June 2008, Gollancz)
*[[Karen Joy Fowler]], ''Wit's End'' (April 2008, Putnam/Marian Wood)
*[[Jo Graham]], ''Black Ships'' (March 2008, Orbit US)
*[[Robin Hobb]], ''Renegade's Magic'' (February 2008, Eos) (first published in the UK)
*[[Cecelia Holland]], ''Varanger'' (April 2008, Tor/Forge)
*[[Samantha Hunt]], ''The Invention of Everything Else' (June 2008, Harvill Secker)
*[[Margo Lanagan]], ''Tender Morsels'' (October 2008, Knopf)
*[[Tanith Lee]], ''Tempting the Gods'' (April 2008, Wildside Press)
*[[Doris Lessing]], ''Alfred and Emily'' (2008)
*[[Ursula K. Le Guin]], ''Lavinia'' (April 2008, Harcourt)
*[[Robin McKinley]], ''Chalice'' (September 2008, Penguin)
*[[Judith Merril]], ''Not Only a Woman'' (February 2008, NESFA Press)
*[[Elizabeth Moon]], ''Victory Conditions'' (February 2008, Ballantine Del Rey)
*[[Dru Pagliassotti]], ''Clockwork Heart'' (March 2008, Juno Books)
*[[Holly Phillips]], ''The Engine's Child'' (November 2008, Ballantine Del Rey)
*[[Justina Robson]], ''Going Under' (2008, Gollancz/Pyr)
*[[Mary Doria Russell]], ''Dreamers of the Day'' (2008)
*[[Ekaterina Sedia]], ''The Alchemy of Stone'' (2008, Prime)
*[[Jennifer Stevenson]], ''The Brass Bed'' (April 2008, Ballantine)
*[[Karen Traviss]], ''Judge'' (April 2008, Eos)
*[[Jo Walton]], ''Half a Crown'' (September 2008, Tor)
*[[Michelle West]], ''The Hidden City'' (March 2008, DAW)
*[[Liz Williams]], ''Winterstrike'' (2008, Tor UK)

=== First Novel ===
Locus and Bram Stoker eligible

*[[Jo Graham]], ''Black Ships'' (March 2008, Orbit US)
*[[Dru Pagliassotti]], ''Clockwork Heart'' (March 2008, Juno Books)

=== Collections ===
World Fantasy, Stoker and Locus eligible - single author, original or reprint, single or multiple editors

*[[Jennifer Pelland]], Unwelcome Bodies (February 2008, Apex Book Company)
*[[Catherynne M. Valente]], A Guide to Folktales in Fragile Dialects (April 2008, Norilana Books)

=== Anthologies ===
World Fantasy, Stoker and Locus eligible - multiple author original or reprint, single or multiple editors

*''[http://www.twocranespress.com/botany/ A Field Guide to Surreal Botany]'', [[Janet Chui]] (& Jason Erik Lundberg), eds. (2008, Two Cranes Press)
*''[[The James Tiptree Award Anthology 4]]'', [[Karen Joy Fowler]], [[Pat Murphy]] & [[Debbie Notkin]], eds. (January 2008, Tachyon Publications, anth)
*''The New Weird'', [[Ann VanderMeer]] (with Jeff VanderMeer) ed., (February 2008, Tachyon Publications)
*''Paper Cities'', [[Ekaterina Sedia]], ed. (April 2008, Senses Five Press)
*''The Starry Rift: Tales of New Tomorrows'', Jonathan Strahan, ed. (2008, Viking)

== Short Fiction ==

=== Short Stories ===
Hugo, Locus, World Fantasy, and Sturgeon eligible. World Fantasy is under 10,000 words

*[[Alana Joli Abbott]], [http://coyotewildmag.com/2008/august/abbott_nomis_wish.html Nomi's Wish] (Coyote Wild, August 2008)
*[[Elizabeth Bear]], Hobnoblin Blues ([[Realms of Fantasy]], February 2008)
*[[Beth Bernobich]], Shopping Spree ([[Baen's Universe]], August 2008)
*[[Deborah Biancotti]], The Tailor of Time (Clockwork Phoenix, ed. Mike Allen, July 2008)
*[[Naomi Bloch]], [http://www.strangehorizons.com/2008/20081201/same_old_story-f.shtml The Same Old Story] ([[Strange Horizons]], 1 December 2008)
*[[Leah Bobet]], Bell, Book, and Candle (Clockwork Phoenix, ed. Mike Allen, July 2008)
*[[Leah Bobet]], [http://www.strangehorizons.com/2008/20080929/duray-f.shtml Kimberley Ann Duray Is Not Afraid] (Strange Horizons, 29 September 2008)
*[[K. Tempest Bradford]], [http://www.strangehorizons.com/2008/20081117/forgiveness-f.shtml Until Forgiveness Comes] (Strange Horizons, 17 November 2008)
*[[Marie Brennan]], Lost Soul ([[Intergalactic Medicine Show]] #7, January 2008)
*[[Marie Brennan]], Kiss of Life (Beneath the Surface, ed. Tim Deal, 2008)
*[[Marie Brennan]], The Deaths of Christopher Marlowe ([[Paradox]] #12, April 2008)
*[[Marie Brennan]], Beggar's Blessing ([[Shroud Magazine]] #2, 2008)
*[[Marie Brennan]], A Mask of Flesh (Clockwork Phoenix, ed. Mike Allen, July 2008)
*[[Marie Brennan]], [http://www.beneath-ceaseless-skies.com/story.php?s=4 Kingspeaker] ([[Beneath Ceaseless Skies]] #3, November 2008)
*[[Marie Brennan]], A Heretic by Degrees ([[Intergalactic Medicine Show]] #10, November 2008)
*[[Sarah Rees Brennan]], [http://http://coyotewildmag.com/2008/august/brennan_old-fashioned_unicorn.html An Old-Fashioned Unicorn's Guide to Courtship] (Coyote Wild, August 2008)
*[[Sue Burke]], Spiders (Asimov's, March 2008)
*[[Stephanie Campisi]], The Title of This Story (Paper Cities, Senses Five Press, April 2008)
*[[Sarah Carless]], Daystar ([[OnSpec]], January 2008)
*[[Nancy Chenier]], Re-Annunciation (OnSpec, January 2008)
*[[Deborah Coates]]
**The Whale's Lover ([[Asimov's]], January 2008)
**[http://www.strangehorizons.com/2008/20080121/heart-f.shtml How to Hide Your Heart] (Strange Horizons, 21 January 2008)
*[[Tina Connolly]]
**The Salivary Reflex ([[GUD]], February 2008)
**[http://www.strangehorizons.com/2008/20080602/eyeball-f.shtml On the Eyeball Floor] (Strange Horizons, 2 June 2008)
*[[Constance Cooper]], [http://www.strangehorizons.com/2008/20080728/snow_crease-f.shtml Called Out to Snow Crease Farm] (Strange Horizons, 28 July 2008)
*[[Haddayr Copley-Woods]], [http://www.strangehorizons.com/2008/20080225/dead-f.shtml Dead] (Strange Horizons, 25 February 2008)
*[[Sheila Crosby]], The Appliance of Science (Escape Velocity, February 2008)
*[[Jennifer Crow]], Seven Scenes from Harrai's ''Sacred Mountain'' (Clockwork Phoenix, ed. Mike Allen, July 2008)
*[[A.M. Dellamonica]], [http://www.strangehorizons.com/2008/20080421/five_good_things-f.shtml Five Good Things About Meghan Sheedy] (Strange Horizons, 21 April 2008)
*[[Kris Dikeman]], [http://www.strangehorizons.com/2008/20081027/sundays-f.shtml Nine Sundays in a Row] (Strange Horizons, 27 October 2008)
*[[Debra Doyle]] (with James D. Macdonald), Philologos; or, A Murder in Bistrita (F&SF, February 2008)
*[[Oz Drummond]], Re\Creation, ([[Analog]], November 2008)
*[[Eugenie Edquist]], Motor Skills (Andromeda Spaceways, February 2008)
*[[Francesca Forrest]], [http://coyotewildmag.com/2008/august/forrest_oracle.html The Oracle] (Coyote Wild, August 2008)
*[[Jess Freeborn]], A Deck of Cards (Polluto, January 2008)
*[[Joanna Galbraith]], The Moon-Keeper's Friend (Clockwork Phoenix, ed. Mike Allen, July 2008)
*[[Gwynne Garfinkle]], [http://www.strangehorizons.com/2008/20080616/in_lieu-f.shtml In Lieu of a Thank You] (Strange Horizons, 16 June 2008)
*[[Vanessa Gebbie]], Jamie Hawkins' Muse (GUD, February 2008)
*[[Kathleen Ann Goonan]], Sundiver Day (The Starry Rift, 2008)
*[[Peni R. Griffin]], The Singers in the Tower (Realms of Fantasy, February 2008)
*[[Ann Halam]], Cheats (''The Starry Rift'', 2008)
*[[Merrie Haskell]]
**An Almanac for the Alien Invaders (Asimov's, April/May 2008)
**[http://coyotewildmag.com/2008/august/haskell_girl_prince.html The Girl-Prince] ([[Coyote Wild]] August 2008)
*[[Jennifer Harwood-Smith]], The Faces of My Friends ([[Interzone]], February 2008)
*[[Lynne Hawkinson]], [http://www.strangehorizons.com/2008/20080204/tokyo-f.shtml Tokyo Rising] (Strange Horizons, 4 February 2008)
*[[Samantha Henderson]], The Ballad of Delphinium Blue ([[Sybil's Garage]] #5, April 2008)
*[[Karen Heuler]], Landscape, With Fish ([[Weird Tales]], January 2008)
*[[Deb Hoag]], Werewolf of Sappho (Polluto, January 2008)
*[[M.K. Hobson]]
**The People's Republic of the Edelweiss Village Putt-Putt Golf Course (Realms of Fantasy, February 2008)
**Crushing Butterflies ([[Flytrap]] 9, May 2008)
**Comus of Central Park (Interzone 217, July 2008)
**The Hand of the Devil on a String (Shimmer, July 2008)
**The Purple Basil (Realms of Fantasy, October 2008)
*[[Mary Hodge]], [http://coyotewildmag.com/2008/august/hodge_mary_family.html Family] (Coyote Wild, August 2008)
*[[Rosamund Hodge]], [http://coyotewildmag.com/2008/august/hodge_rosamund_i_have_heard_angels.html I Have Heard the Angels Singing, Each to Each] (Coyote Wild, August 2008)
*[[Erin Hoffman]], Root and Vein (Clockwork Phoenix, ed. Mike Allen, July 2008)
*[[J. J. Irwin]], [http://www.strangehorizons.com/2008/20080107/still-f.shtml Still Living] (Strange Horizons, 7 January 2008)
*[[Alaya Dawn Johnson]], [http://www.strangehorizons.com/2008/20080804/well-f.shtml Down the Well] (Strange Horizons, 4 August 2008)
*[[Vylar Kaftan]]
**The Girl Next Door (Sybil's Garage #5, April 2008)
**Godivy (Paper Cities, Senses Five Press, April 2008)
*[[Sarah Kanning]], [http://www.strangehorizons.com/2008/20080818/sexghosts-f.shtml Sex with Ghosts] (Strange Horizons, 18 August 2008)
*[[Helen Keeble]], [http://www.strangehorizons.com/2008/20080407/ashes-f.shtml In Ashes] (Strange Horizons, 7 April 2008)
*[[Larissa Kelly]], [http://www.strangehorizons.com/2008/20081222/engines-f.shtml Engines of Survival] (Strange Horizons, 22 December 2008)
*[[Alice Sola Kim]], [http://www.strangehorizons.com/2008/20080211/deena-f.shtml We Love Deena] (Strange Horizons, 11 February 2008)
*[[Rachel Kincaid]], [http://www.strangehorizons.com/2008/20080519/tell-f.shtml Tell Her] (Strange Horizons, 19 May 2008)
*[[Barbara Krasnoff]], All His Worldly Goods (Sybil's Garage #5, April 2008)
*[[Nancy Kress]], Sex and Violence (Asimov's, February 2008)
*[[Margo Lanagan]], An Honest Day's Work (The Starry Rift, 2008)
*[[Tanith Lee]], The Woman (Clockwork Phoenix, ed. Mike Allen, July 2008)
*[[Ann Leckie]], [http://www.strangehorizons.com/2008/20080707/marsh-f.shtml Marsh Gods] (Strange Horizons, 7 July 2008)
*[[Kelly Link]], The Surfer (The Starry Rift, 2008)
*[[Jennifer Linnaea]], Pseudo Tokyo (Interzone, February 2008)
*[[C.S. MacCath]], Akhila, Divided (Clockwork Phoenix, ed. Mike Allen, July 2008)
*[[Alex Dally MacFarlane]], Tattoos of the Sky, Tattoos of the Days (Sybil's Garage #5, April 2008)
*[[Elissa Malcohn]], Hermit Crabs (Electric Velocipede #14, May 2008)
*[[Darja Malcolm-Clarke]]
**[http://www.darkfantasy.org/fantasy/?p=617-f.shtml His One True Bride] (Fantasy Magazine, June 16, 2008)
**A Song, a Prayer, an Empty Space (Greatest Uncommon Denominator Magazine, #3, Autumn 2008)
**Pearl in Shadow (Ideomancer, June 2008)
*[[Lisa Mantchev]], Perfect Tense (Electric Velocipede #14, May 2008)
*[[Karen Maric]], The Last Deflowerer (Andromeda Spaceways, February 2008)
*[[Tracie McBride]], The Last Tiger (Electric Velocipede #14, May 2008)
*[[Kirstyn McDermott]], Painlessness (GUD, February 2008)
*[[Sandra McDonald]], Recipe for Survival (Electric Velocipede #14, May 2008)
*[[Maura McHugh]], Home (Shroud Magazine, Issue 2, Mar/April 2008)
*[[Melissa Mead]], Stepsister (Electric Velocipede #14, May 2008)
*[[Joanne Merriam]], [http://www.strangehorizons.com/2008/20081006/swansong-f.shtml Swan Song] (Strange Horizons, 6 October 2008)
*[[T. L. Morganfield]], Night Bird Soaring (GUD #3, August 2008)
*[[Michelle Muenzler]], [http://coyotewildmag.com/2008/august/muenzler_dancing_the_bones.html Dancing the Bones] (Coyote Wild, August 2008)
*[[Ruth Nestvold]], Mars: A Traveler's Guide (F&SF, January 2008)
*[[Hazel Marcus Ong]], Roses (Sybil's Garage #5, April 2008)
*[[Jennifer Pelland]], Sashenka Redux (Electric Velocipede #14, May 2008)
*[[Corie Ralston]], [http://www.strangehorizons.com/2008/20080128/looking-f.shtml Looking for Friendship, Maybe More] (Strange Horizons, 28 January 2008)
*[[Cat Rambo]]
**The Dew Drop Coffee Lounge (Clockwork Phoenix, ed. Mike Allen, July 2008)
**Events at Fort Plentitude, (Weird Tales, January 2008)
**Kallakak's Cousins (Asimov's, March 2008)
**The Bumblety's Marble (Paper Cities, Senses Five Press, April 2008)
*[[Laura Bradley Rede]], [http://coyotewildmag.com/2008/august/rede_smacking_back.html Smacking Back] (Coyote Wild, August 2008)
*[[Jenn Reese]], Taser (Paper Cities, Senses Five Press, April 2008)
*[[Kate Riedel]], Pest Control (OnSpec, January 2008)
*[[Christie Skipper Ritchotte]], [http://www.strangehorizons.com/2008/20081020/midnight-f.shtml Just After Midnight] (Strange Horizons, 20 October 2008)
*[[Michaela Roessner]], It's a Wonderful Life ([[F&SF]], January 2008)
*[[Margaret Ronald]], And Spare Not the Flock (Realms of Fantasy, February 2008)
*[[Mary Rosenblum]], The Egg Man (Asimov's, February 2008)
*[[Sara Saab]], No Bubblewrap for Little Guys (Electric Velocipede #14, May 2008)
*[[Veronica Schanoes]], Lost in the Supermarket (Sybil's Garage #5, April 2008)
*[[Meredith Schwartz]], [http://www.strangehorizons.com/2008/20081215/breath-f.shtml How to Hold Your Breath] (Strange Horizons, 15 December 2008)
*[[Michelle Scott]], Them (Electric Velocipede #14, May 2008)
*[[Ekaterina Sedia]], There is a Monster Under Helen's Bed (Clockwork Phoenix, ed. Mike Allen, July 2008)
*[[Janni Lee Simner]], [http://coyotewildmag.com/2008/august/simner_invasive_species.html Invasive Species] (Coyote Wild, August 2008)
*[[Angela Slatter]], Pressina's Daughters (OnSpec, January 2008)
*[[Cat Sparks]], Palisade (Clockwork Phoenix, ed. Mike Allen, July 2008)
*[[Cat Sparks]], Sammarynda Deep (Paper Cities, Senses Five Press, April 2008)
*[[Nancy Springer]], Rumple What? (F&SF, March 2008)
*[[Tricia Sullivan]], Post-Ironic Stress Syndrome (The Starry Rift, 2008)
*[[Chris Szego]], [http://www.strangehorizons.com/2008/20080414/valiant-f.shtml Valiant on the Wing] (Strange Horizons, 14 April 2008)
*[[Anna Tambour]], The Age of Fish, Post-Flowers (Paper Cities, Senses Five Press, April 2008)
*[[Sarah Thomas]], [http://www.strangehorizons.com/2008/20080331/trees-f.shtml Ki Do (The Way of the Trees)] (Strange Horizons, 31 March 2008)
*[[Catherynne M. Valente]], The City of Blind Delight (Clockwork Phoenix, ed. Mike Allen, July 2008)
*[[Catherynne M. Valente]], Palimpsest (Paper Cities, Senses Five Press, April 2008)
*[[Kaaron Warren]], Down to the Silver Spirits (Paper Cities, Senses Five Press, April 2008)
*[[D. E. Wasden]], The Artificial Sunlight of Memory (Electric Velocipede #14, May 2008)
*[[Susan Wardle]], The Children’s Crusade (Andromeda Spaceways, February 2008)
*[[Catherine Wells]], Ghost Town (Asimov's, April/May 2008)
*[[K. D. Wentworth]], Exit Strategy (F&SF, March 2008)
*[[Leslie What]], #1 (Electric Velocipede #14, May 2008)
*[[Kate Wilhelm]], The Fountain of Neptune (F&SF, April 2008)
*[[Genevieve Williams]], [http://www.strangehorizons.com/2008/20080310/running-f.shtml Kip, Running] (Strange Horizons, 10 March 2008)
*[[Maggie L. Wood]], [http://coyotewildmag.com/2008/august/wood_fallen.html Fallen] (Coyote Wild, August 2008)
*[[Sharon E. Woods]], Bull (Electric Velocipede #14, May 2008)
*[[Erzebet YellowBoy]], Waiting at the Window (Electric Velocipede #14, May 2008)

=== Novelettes ===
Hugo eligible; Hugo rules say a novelette is roughly 7,500-17,500 words, which may count as a novella for the World Fantasy and Stoker, or a short story for the World Fantasy or Sturgeon

*[[Elizabeth Bear]]
**Shoggoths in Bloom (Asimov's, March 2008)
*[[Beth Bernobich]]
**Air and Angels (Subterranean Online, Spring 2008)
**Pig, Crane, Fox: Three Hearts Unfolding (Magic in the Mirrorstone, Mirrorstone Books, February 2008)
**The Golden Octopus (Postscripts #15, August 2008)
*[[Samantha Cope]], [http://www.strangehorizons.com/2008/20080915/cowboy_angel-f.shtml Cowboy Angel] (Strange Horizons, 15 September 2008)
*[[Carol Emshwiller]]
**Master of the Road to Nowhere (Asimov's, March 2008)
*[[Kathleen Ann Goonan]], Memory Dog (Asimov's, April/May 2008)
*[[Ann Leckie]], The God of Au (Helix, April 2008)
*[[Tanith Lee]], The Beautiful and Damned by F. Scott Fitzgerald (Asimov's, January 2008)
*[[Meghan McCarron]], [http://www.strangehorizons.com/2008/20080714/magician-f.shtml The Magician's House] (Strange Horizons, 14 July 2008)
*[[Jennifer Pelland]], Brushstrokes (Unwelcome Bodies, February 2008)
*[[Vandana Singh]], Oblivion: A Journey (Clockwork Phoenix, ed. Mike Allen, July 2008)
*[[Leslie Claire Walker]], Your Blood (Electric Velocipede #14, May 2008)
*[[Kate Wilhelm]], Strangers When We Meet (Asimov's, April/May 2008)

=== Novellas ===
Hugo, Stoker, Locus and World Fantasy eligible; Hugo rules say a novella is roughly 17,500-40,000 words, World Fantasy is 10,000-40,000 words

*[[Catherine Asaro]], The Spacetime Pool (Analog, March 2008)
*[[Carolyn Ives Gilman]], Arkfall (F&SF, September 2008)
*[[Ann Miller]], Retrospect (F&SF, February 2008)
*[[Kristine Kathryn Rusch]], The Room of Lost Souls (Asimov's, April/May 2008)

== Non-Fiction ==

=== Related Books ===
Hugo, Stoker (as Non-Fiction) and Locus eligible, non-fiction book relating to the genre

*[[Farah Mendlesohn]], ''Rhetorics of Fantasy'' (April 2008, Wesleyan University Press)

== Poetry ==

=== Poem ===
Stoker eligible

*[[Elizabeth Barrette]], ''With Every Fine and Subtle Sense Perceive'' (Sybil's Garage #5, April 2008)
*[[Ruth Berman]], ''Snow Angels'' (Asimov's, March 2008)
*[[Lida Broadhurst]], ''Asylum'' (Electric Velocipede #14, May 2008)
*[[Miranda Gaw]], ''Last Supper'' (Sybil's Garage #5, April 2008)
*[[Erin Hoffman]], ''Hyldegarde Speaks to Jacqueline'' (Electric Velocipede #14, May 2008)
*[[Pam McNew]], ''No Word for Goodbye'' (Sybil's Garage #5, April 2008)
*[[Joanne Merriam]], ''Death on Other Planets'' (Asimov's, April/May 2008)
*[[Adrienne J. Odasso]], ''River Girl'' (Sybil's Garage #5, April 2008)
*[[Sonya Taaffe]], ''Evighed'' (Electric Velocipede #14, May 2008)

=== Long Poem ===
Rhysling eligible

=== Short Poem ===
Rhysling eligible

== Film and Television ==

=== Dramatic Presentation, Long Form ===
Hugo eligible

=== Dramatic Presentation, Short Form ===
Hugo eligible

* ''[[Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles]]'' episodes:
** ''Queen's Gambit'' written by [[Natalie Chaidez]], first aired February 11, 2008
** ''Dungeons & Dragons'' written by [[Ashley Edward Miller]] & Zack Stentz, first aired February 18, 2008
** ''The Demon Hand'' written by [[Toni Graphia]], first aired February 25, 2008

* ''[[Torchwood]]'' episodes:
** ''To the Last Man'' written by [[Helen Raynor]], first aired January 30, 2008
** ''Meat'' written by [[Catherine Tregenna]], first aired February 6, 2008
** ''Adam'' written by [[Catherine Tregenna]], first aired February 13, 2008

=== Script ===
Nebula eligible

[[Category:Works]]
[[Category:Writers]]
[[Category:Awards]]

RaceFail 09

2009-02-06T21:46:33Z

Coffeeandink:

RaceFail 09 is a term used to refer to an extended discussion of race and racism in science fiction books, culture, fandom, and criticism that began in January 2009. It has been called by many other names, including the Great Cultural Appropriation Debate of Doom 3 (or 2), and RaceFail 9000.

(Ed. note: A more positive name could highlight the community strength and backup shown... but so far it's mostly been described as "fail".)

== Timeline ==

(There is a good outline of one on avalon's willow's blog -- also see discussion tab for notes on formatting and linking0)

January 8, 2009: [[Another shot at thinking about the Other]] by [[Jay Lake]] on [http://jaylake.livejournal.com/1692287.html LJ]

:This post came a few days before the main source of discussion in Elizabeth Bear's journal, and through it is not stated, may have contributed to her musings. Inspired by a discussion on ''The Edge of the American West'' about "speaking from cultural authority and presumed expertise." Lake expressed disdain for the idea that white writers don't have "standing" to use Aboriginal or First Nations material in their fiction. The comment thread, 78 responses long, was filled with fail. A lot of 101-level thinking.

January 12, 2009: [[whatever you're doing, you're probably wrong.]] by [[Elizabeth Bear]] on [http://matociquala.livejournal.com/1544111.html LJ]

:The main source of fail. Bear explains how to write The Other.

January 13, 2009: [[I Didn't Dream of Dragons]] by [[deepad]] on [http://deepad.livejournal.com/29656.html LJ]

:Not a direct response to Bear's post, but triggered by it. "...this is more my commentary on the Western, White novels and blogs I have been reading recently, and my experience as an Indian reader."

January 13, 2009: [[Open Letter: To Elizabeth Bear]] by [[Avalon's Willow]] on [http://seeking-avalon.blogspot.com/2009/01/open-letter-to-elizabeth-bear.html Seeking Avalon]

:A response to [http://matociquala.livejournal.com/1544111.html?thread=30733743&style=mine#t30733743 a thread] in [[whatever you're doing, you're probably wrong.]]

::I'm not calling you a monster. I'm not calling you a racist. But I am calling you clueless and ill worded and more than a touch thoughtless. Your ability to think about things, ''sometimes'', does not erase my pain or lack.

January 14, 2009: [[real magic can never be made by offering up someone else's liver.]] by [[Elizabeth Bear]] on [http://matociquala.livejournal.com/1544999.html LJ]

:A response to [[Open Letter: To Elizabeth Bear]] in which Bear acknowledges that [[Avalon's Willow]]'s criticism is valid. Comments start out badly ("Over sensitivity to perceived racism tends to result in the nit picking of words and sentence structure.") and go downhill quickly.

(January 14, 2009, probably? [[medievalist]] posts an explanation of phouka mythology in relation to Blood & Iron. Post & discussion later deleted/made unavailable.)

January 14, 2009: [[Untitled Post about Avalon's Willow's open letter to Bear]] by [[Sarah Monette]] on [http://truepenny.livejournal.com/625351.html LJ]

:Acknowledges that intent and result do not always match up. Comments devolve into failfest, marked particularly by [[Macallister Stone]], [[medievalist]] and [[Emma Bull]] invalidating criticism because it isn't academic enough and also because some readers aren't as smart as the writers they criticize.

(Some of these comments occur in a post by [[mac_stone]] about child abuse in relation to unspecified current discussion, including [[pnh]]'s "smart" comment)

(some other stuff here)
(including pnh and others commenting on chopchica's LJ in discussion of mac_stone's statements)
(Patrick Nielsen Hayden deletes his pnh LJ)

January 26, 2009: [[I'm taking this about as well as you'd expect.]] by [[Teresa Nielsen Hayden]] on [http://tnh.livejournal.com/6256.html LJ] (original is now friends-locked)

:Teresa's response to Patrick's emotional state after been called on his comments. Original post and comments full of fail and including several problematic uses of language.

January 26, 2009: [[My only statement on the cultural appropriation imbroglio]] by [[David Levine]] on [http://davidlevine.livejournal.com/154220.html LJ]

:In response to Levine finding out why [[Patrick Nielsen Hayden]] deleted his LJ. With comments disabled, Levine proceeds to chide the "anti-racist" side for scaring him and other white writers off of writing characters of color and ends with "Is this what you wanted?"

January 27, 2009: [[The last comment that went up before I flocked the previous post.]] by [[Teresa Nielsen Hayden]] on [http://tnh.livejournal.com/6434.html LJ]

:A post meant to explain why the previous post disappeared for so many readers. Some conversations and fights continued in the comments here and include failure by Teresa to shut down problem comments and language because the people using said language were on her side.

== Links and external references ==

*[http://rydra-wong.livejournal.com/146697.html Rydra Wong's list of over two hundred posts constituting RaceFail '09]

== Dramatis personae ==

* [[Avalon's Willow]] <ref>[http://seeking-avalon.blogspot.com/2006/08/about-seeking-avalon.html Seeking Avalon: About Seeking Avalon]</ref> / [http://seeking-avalon.blogspot.com/ Seeking Avalon]
* [[Elizabeth Bear]] aka [[Sarah Bear Elizabeth Wishnevsky]]<ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Bear Wlizabeth Bear Wikipedia entry]</ref> ([[matociquala]]<ref>[http://matociquala.livejournal.com/profile matociquala LJ User Profile]</ref> on LJ), a science fiction writer
* [[K. Tempest Bradford]] ([[ktempest]] on LJ<ref>[http://ktempest.livejournal.com/profile ktempest] on LJ</ref>), a science fiction writer<ref>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?K._Tempest_Bradford K. Tempest Bradford at the ISFDB]</ref>
* [[Emma Bull]] aka [[coffeem]]<ref>[http://coffeeem.livejournal.com/profile coffeeem LJ User Profile]</ref>, a science fiction & fantasy writer
* [[chopchica]] <ref>[http://chopchica.livejournal.com/profile chopchica LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[ciderpress]] <ref>[http://ciderpress.livejournal.com/profile ciderpress LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[coffeeandink]] aka "Micole" <ref>[http://coffeeandink.livejournal.com/profile coffeeandink LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[deepad]] aka "Deepa D."<ref>[http://deepad.livejournal.com/profile deepad LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[Mary Dell]] ([[marydell]]<ref>[http://marydell.livejournal.com/profile marydell on LJ]</ref>)
* [[delux_vivens]] <ref>[http://delux-vivens.livejournal.com/profile delux-vivens LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[Luke Jackson]] (participated pseudonymously as [[darkerblogistan]]<ref>[http://darkerblogistan.livejournal.com/profile darkerblogistan LJ profile]</ref> and [[igorsanchez]]<ref>[http://igorsanchez.livejournal.com/profile igorsanchez LJ profile]</ref>; unmasked by kynn<ref>[http://kynn.com/next/2009/01/24/author-asshattery-luke-jackson/ Author Asshattery: Luke Jackson] by [[kynn]]</ref>)
* [[Roz Kaveney]], ([http://rozk.livejournal.com/profile RozK] on LJ), transwoman journalist and publisher's adviser.
* [[kynn]] aka [[Kynn Bartlett]]<ref>[http://kynn.com/ kynn.com]</ref><ref>[http://kynn.livejournal.com/profile kynn LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[Jay Lake]] ([[jaylake]]<ref>[http://jaylake.livejournal.com/profile jaylake on LJ]</ref>), a science fiction writer
* [[David Levine]] ([[davidlevine]]<ref>[http://davidlevine.livejournal.com/154220.html davidlevine on LJ]</ref>), a science fiction writer
* [[mac_stone]]<ref>[http://mac_stone.livejournal.com/profile mac_stone LJ User Profile]</ref> (identified as [[MacAllister Stone]]<ref>[http://www.macallisterstone.com/stones/ Stones in the Field]</ref> above)
* [[medievalist]] ( [[Lisa L. Spangenberg]]<ref>[http://medievalist.livejournal.com/profile medievalist LJ User Profile]</ref>)
* [[Sarah Monette]] aka [[truepenny]]<ref>[http://truepenny.livejournal.com/profile truepenny LJ user profile]</ref>, a science fiction writer
* [[kate_nepveu]] ([[Kate Nepveu]]<ref>[http://kate_nepveu.livejournal.com/profile kate_nepveu LJ User Profile]</ref><ref>[http://www.steelypips.org/ steelypips.org]</ref><ref>[http://www.tor.com/index.php?option=com_comprofiler&user=5984 Kate Nepveu Tor.com user profile]</ref>)
* [[Teresa Nielsen Hayden]] ([[tnh]]<ref>[http://tnh.livejournal.com/profile tnh] on LJ</ref>), a science fiction editor & [[BoingBoing]]'s comment section moderator
* [[Patrick Nielsen Hayden]] (formerly [[pnh]] on LJ; deleted account), a science fiction editor
* [[nojojojo]] aka [[Nora Jemison]] who writes as [[N. K. Jemisin]]<ref>[http://nkjemisin.com/my-fiction/ Epiphany 2.0 - Author NK Jemison]</ref><ref>[http://nojojojo.livejournal.com/profile nojojojo LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[oyceter]] <ref>[http://oyceter.livejournal.com/profile oyceter LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[rydra_wong]] <ref>[http://rydra-wong.livejournal.com/profile rydra-wong LJ User Profile]</ref>,: compiled lists of links to posts on the subject, sometimes more than daily.
* [[Will Shetterly]] ([[willshetterly]]<ref>[http://willshetterly.livejournal.com/profile willshetterly] on LJ</ref>), a science fiction writer
* [[sparkymonster]] <ref>[http://sparkymonster.livejournal.com/profile sparkymonster LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[spiralsheep]] <ref>[http://spiralsheep.livejournal.com/profile sparkymonster LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[vito_excalibur]] <ref>[http://vito-excalibur.livejournal.com/profile vito-excalibur LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[yeloson]] <ref>[http://yeloson.livejournal.com/profile yeloson LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[yonmei]] <ref>[http://blogs.feministsf.net/?author=40 Yonmei's posts at Feminist SF - the blog]</ref>
* [[zvi_likes_tv]] aka [[zvi]], a writer of [[fan fiction]]<ref>[http://www.slashx-files.com/aboutme.html zvi reflects]</ref><ref>[http://zvi_likes_tv.livejournal.com/profile zvi_likes_tv LJ User Profile]</ref>

== Terminology ==
* [[orcing]] or orking
* [[white women's tears]]
* [[privilege]]
* [[flock]] (read as F-lock), locking a post to be friends-only
* [[friending]] and defriending - terms in social media
* [[fail]]
* [[trolling]]
* [[blog-whoring]]
* [[pseudonyms]]

== See Also ==
* [[Cultural Appropriation (WisCon 30 Panel)‎]]
* [[Cultural Appropriation Revisited (WisCon 31 panel)‎]]
* [[cultural appropriation]]

==References==
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[[Category:Internet drama]]
[[Category:Online discussions]]
[[Category:RaceFail 09]]
[[Category:Fandom]]
[[Category:2009 events]]

Talk:RaceFail 09

2009-02-06T21:38:53Z

Coffeeandink:

=Internal Links for Blog Post Titles=

I thought it would be a good idea for each of the major blog posts (particularly those that have disappeared from the public Internet) to have its own page where we can call out highlights, important threads, and individual comments that sparked other discussions/posts, etc. That will keep the main timeline page pretty clear and straightforward. -KTempest

:It's a good idea, though copyright restrictions may apply. --[[User:Pleasantville|Pleasantville]] aka [[Kathryn Cramer]]16:32, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

:: I think it is fair use, as these posts have been quoted and responded to and are part of public discourse. I'm not the expert on that though. 8-) --[[User:Liz Henry|Liz Henry]] 17:59, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

:::The general rule of thumb for fair use is quoting 150 words. On my blog, I don't sweat this and on rare occasions when it becomes an issue I either remove the content, pay a fee for use, or both, but Wikis can exist only because of the willingness to put things under a free license (in this case GNU Free Documentation License 1.2), so in general one should adhere to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use fair use guidelines]. ([http://www.livejournal.com/legal/tos.bml LJ's ToS] state the material is copyright by its author, which is as I expected.)--[[User:Pleasantville|Pleasantville]] 20:19, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

=Names and pseudonyms=

I'm really not digging this distinction between the pseudonyms and the driver's license names. Is this necessary, and if so, why?
- vito excalibur
:Yes. Since it is important to know who is speaking, and for half the participants, we don't. --[[User:Pleasantville|Pleasantville]] 17:11, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

:: This was one the sub-issues raised in the events being documented, and so I personally disagree on the wiki taking a position on it here. --Kate Nepveu

::: There's really no way not to take a position on it: either we separate the names or we don't. -- vito excalibur

:::: I don't see any point in separating people out under different headings. If the person has, themselves, associated their real name with their screen name or pen name, or if it is common public knowledge (as it is for my screen name of badgerbag), list one with the other(s) right next to it and alphabetize under the name you think people are most commonly known by. If there are pages for both identities, link them to each other or make a redirect page. By the way, to make this nifty name/time stamp, click the signature-looking thing in the little toolbar above the edit text input window, and it will magically appear.. --[[User:Liz Henry|Liz Henry]] 17:59, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

::::: Yeah, I put that badly. Let me rephrase: I disagree with Kathryn Cramer that the distinction was necessary or useful. And now I see that it's been changed while I was off. -- Kate Nepveu
::::::I think it sort of speaks for itself anyway.--[[User:Pleasantville|Pleasantville]] 18:37, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

In terms of why this is necessary, I ask: Is it widely known, for example, that [[coffeeandink]] used to work at Tor, where she reported to [[pnh]]? (I presume it's not, since she doesn't include that job on [http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dir/micole/sudberg her LinkedIn page].) People don't just spring into existence when they make up pseudonyms. --[[User:Pleasantville|Pleasantville]] 19:22, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
: Pleasantville, if you think it's so important, why don't you just put that on her wiki page? I don't see why that requires people to be divided into separate categories on this page. --[[User:Vito excalibur|Vito excalibur]] 19:54, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::I did already. --[[User:Pleasantville|Pleasantville]] 20:14, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't have my full name on my LJ because it's unique and I don't want it Google-able. Please remove the redirect and the page account.

I feel my first name is sufficiently unusual that people who are looking for the connection can draw it on their own.

RaceFail 09

2009-02-06T21:35:19Z

Coffeeandink:

RaceFail 09 is a term used to refer to an extended discussion of race and racism in science fiction books, culture, fandom, and criticism that began in January 2009. It has been called by many other names, including the Great Cultural Appropriation Debate of Doom 3 (or 2), and RaceFail 9000.

(Ed. note: A more positive name could highlight the community strength and backup shown... but so far it's mostly been described as "fail".)

== Timeline ==

(There is a good outline of one on avalon's willow's blog -- also see discussion tab for notes on formatting and linking0)

January 8, 2009: [[Another shot at thinking about the Other]] by [[Jay Lake]] on [http://jaylake.livejournal.com/1692287.html LJ]

:This post came a few days before the main source of discussion in Elizabeth Bear's journal, and through it is not stated, may have contributed to her musings. Inspired by a discussion on ''The Edge of the American West'' about "speaking from cultural authority and presumed expertise." Lake expressed disdain for the idea that white writers don't have "standing" to use Aboriginal or First Nations material in their fiction. The comment thread, 78 responses long, was filled with fail. A lot of 101-level thinking.

January 12, 2009: [[whatever you're doing, you're probably wrong.]] by [[Elizabeth Bear]] on [http://matociquala.livejournal.com/1544111.html LJ]

:The main source of fail. Bear explains how to write The Other.

January 13, 2009: [[I Didn't Dream of Dragons]] by [[deepad]] on [http://deepad.livejournal.com/29656.html LJ]

:Not a direct response to Bear's post, but triggered by it. "...this is more my commentary on the Western, White novels and blogs I have been reading recently, and my experience as an Indian reader."

January 13, 2009: [[Open Letter: To Elizabeth Bear]] by [[Avalon's Willow]] on [http://seeking-avalon.blogspot.com/2009/01/open-letter-to-elizabeth-bear.html Seeking Avalon]

:A response to [http://matociquala.livejournal.com/1544111.html?thread=30733743&style=mine#t30733743 a thread] in [[whatever you're doing, you're probably wrong.]]

::I'm not calling you a monster. I'm not calling you a racist. But I am calling you clueless and ill worded and more than a touch thoughtless. Your ability to think about things, ''sometimes'', does not erase my pain or lack.

January 14, 2009: [[real magic can never be made by offering up someone else's liver.]] by [[Elizabeth Bear]] on [http://matociquala.livejournal.com/1544999.html LJ]

:A response to [[Open Letter: To Elizabeth Bear]] in which Bear acknowledges that [[Avalon's Willow]]'s criticism is valid. Comments start out badly ("Over sensitivity to perceived racism tends to result in the nit picking of words and sentence structure.") and go downhill quickly.

(January 14, 2009, probably? [[medievalist]] posts an explanation of phouka mythology in relation to Blood & Iron. Post & discussion later deleted/made unavailable.)

January 14, 2009: [[Untitled Post about Avalon's Willow's open letter to Bear]] by [[Sarah Monette]] on [http://truepenny.livejournal.com/625351.html LJ]

:Acknowledges that intent and result do not always match up. Comments devolve into failfest, marked particularly by [[Macallister Stone]], [[medievalist]] and [[Emma Bull]] invalidating criticism because it isn't academic enough and also because some readers aren't as smart as the writers they criticize.

(Some of these comments occur in a post by [[mac_stone]] about child abuse in relation to unspecified current discussion, including [[pnh]]'s "smart" comment)

(some other stuff here)
(including pnh and others commenting on chopchica's LJ in discussion of mac_stone's statements)
(Patrick Nielsen Hayden deletes his pnh LJ)

January 26, 2009: [[I'm taking this about as well as you'd expect.]] by [[Teresa Nielsen Hayden]] on [http://tnh.livejournal.com/6256.html LJ] (original is now friends-locked)

:Teresa's response to Patrick's emotional state after been called on his comments. Original post and comments full of fail and including several problematic uses of language.

January 26, 2009: [[My only statement on the cultural appropriation imbroglio]] by [[David Levine]] on [http://davidlevine.livejournal.com/154220.html LJ]

:In response to Levine finding out why [[Patrick Nielsen Hayden]] deleted his LJ. With comments disabled, Levine proceeds to chide the "anti-racist" side for scaring him and other white writers off of writing characters of color and ends with "Is this what you wanted?"

January 27, 2009: [[The last comment that went up before I flocked the previous post.]] by [[Teresa Nielsen Hayden]] on [http://tnh.livejournal.com/6434.html LJ]

:A post meant to explain why the previous post disappeared for so many readers. Some conversations and fights continued in the comments here and include failure by Teresa to shut down problem comments and language because the people using said language were on her side.

== Links and external references ==

*[http://rydra-wong.livejournal.com/146697.html Rydra Wong's list of over two hundred posts constituting RaceFail '09]

== Dramatis personae ==

* [[Avalon's Willow]] <ref>[http://seeking-avalon.blogspot.com/2006/08/about-seeking-avalon.html Seeking Avalon: About Seeking Avalon]</ref> / [http://seeking-avalon.blogspot.com/ Seeking Avalon]
* [[Elizabeth Bear]] aka [[Sarah Bear Elizabeth Wishnevsky]]<ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Bear Wlizabeth Bear Wikipedia entry]</ref> ([[matociquala]]<ref>[http://matociquala.livejournal.com/profile matociquala LJ User Profile]</ref> on LJ), a science fiction writer
* [[K. Tempest Bradford]] ([[ktempest]] on LJ<ref>[http://ktempest.livejournal.com/profile ktempest] on LJ</ref>), a science fiction writer<ref>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?K._Tempest_Bradford K. Tempest Bradford at the ISFDB]</ref>
* [[Emma Bull]] aka [[coffeem]]<ref>[http://coffeeem.livejournal.com/profile coffeeem LJ User Profile]</ref>, a science fiction & fantasy writer
* [[chopchica]] <ref>[http://chopchica.livejournal.com/profile chopchica LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[ciderpress]] <ref>[http://ciderpress.livejournal.com/profile ciderpress LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[deepad]] aka "Deepa D."<ref>[http://deepad.livejournal.com/profile deepad LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[Mary Dell]] ([[marydell]]<ref>[http://marydell.livejournal.com/profile marydell on LJ]</ref>)
* [[delux_vivens]] <ref>[http://delux-vivens.livejournal.com/profile delux-vivens LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[Luke Jackson]] (participated pseudonymously as [[darkerblogistan]]<ref>[http://darkerblogistan.livejournal.com/profile darkerblogistan LJ profile]</ref> and [[igorsanchez]]<ref>[http://igorsanchez.livejournal.com/profile igorsanchez LJ profile]</ref>; unmasked by kynn<ref>[http://kynn.com/next/2009/01/24/author-asshattery-luke-jackson/ Author Asshattery: Luke Jackson] by [[kynn]]</ref>)
* [[Roz Kaveney]], ([http://rozk.livejournal.com/profile RozK] on LJ), transwoman journalist and publisher's adviser.
* [[kynn]] aka [[Kynn Bartlett]]<ref>[http://kynn.com/ kynn.com]</ref><ref>[http://kynn.livejournal.com/profile kynn LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[Jay Lake]] ([[jaylake]]<ref>[http://jaylake.livejournal.com/profile jaylake on LJ]</ref>), a science fiction writer
* [[David Levine]] ([[davidlevine]]<ref>[http://davidlevine.livejournal.com/154220.html davidlevine on LJ]</ref>), a science fiction writer
* [[mac_stone]]<ref>[http://mac_stone.livejournal.com/profile mac_stone LJ User Profile]</ref> (identified as [[MacAllister Stone]]<ref>[http://www.macallisterstone.com/stones/ Stones in the Field]</ref> above)
* [[medievalist]] ( [[Lisa L. Spangenberg]]<ref>[http://medievalist.livejournal.com/profile medievalist LJ User Profile]</ref>)
* [[Sarah Monette]] aka [[truepenny]]<ref>[http://truepenny.livejournal.com/profile truepenny LJ user profile]</ref>, a science fiction writer
* [[kate_nepveu]] ([[Kate Nepveu]]<ref>[http://kate_nepveu.livejournal.com/profile kate_nepveu LJ User Profile]</ref><ref>[http://www.steelypips.org/ steelypips.org]</ref><ref>[http://www.tor.com/index.php?option=com_comprofiler&user=5984 Kate Nepveu Tor.com user profile]</ref>)
* [[Teresa Nielsen Hayden]] ([[tnh]]<ref>[http://tnh.livejournal.com/profile tnh] on LJ</ref>), a science fiction editor & [[BoingBoing]]'s comment section moderator
* [[Patrick Nielsen Hayden]] (formerly [[pnh]] on LJ; deleted account), a science fiction editor
* [[nojojojo]] aka [[Nora Jemison]] who writes as [[N. K. Jemisin]]<ref>[http://nkjemisin.com/my-fiction/ Epiphany 2.0 - Author NK Jemison]</ref><ref>[http://nojojojo.livejournal.com/profile nojojojo LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[oyceter]] <ref>[http://oyceter.livejournal.com/profile oyceter LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[rydra_wong]] <ref>[http://rydra-wong.livejournal.com/profile rydra-wong LJ User Profile]</ref>,: compiled lists of links to posts on the subject, sometimes more than daily.
* [[Will Shetterly]] ([[willshetterly]]<ref>[http://willshetterly.livejournal.com/profile willshetterly] on LJ</ref>), a science fiction writer
* [[sparkymonster]] <ref>[http://sparkymonster.livejournal.com/profile sparkymonster LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[spiralsheep]] <ref>[http://spiralsheep.livejournal.com/profile sparkymonster LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[coffeeandink]] aka "Micole" <ref>[http://coffeeandink.livejournal.com/profile coffeeandink LJ User Profile]</ref> on LJ), blogger & writer
* [[vito_excalibur]] <ref>[http://vito-excalibur.livejournal.com/profile vito-excalibur LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[yeloson]] <ref>[http://yeloson.livejournal.com/profile yeloson LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[yonmei]] <ref>[http://blogs.feministsf.net/?author=40 Yonmei's posts at Feminist SF - the blog]</ref>
* [[zvi_likes_tv]] aka [[zvi]], a writer of [[fan fiction]]<ref>[http://www.slashx-files.com/aboutme.html zvi reflects]</ref><ref>[http://zvi_likes_tv.livejournal.com/profile zvi_likes_tv LJ User Profile]</ref>

== Terminology ==
* [[orcing]] or orking
* [[white women's tears]]
* [[privilege]]
* [[flock]] (read as F-lock), locking a post to be friends-only
* [[friending]] and defriending - terms in social media
* [[fail]]
* [[trolling]]
* [[blog-whoring]]
* [[pseudonyms]]

== See Also ==
* [[Cultural Appropriation (WisCon 30 Panel)‎]]
* [[Cultural Appropriation Revisited (WisCon 31 panel)‎]]
* [[cultural appropriation]]

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Micole Iris Sudberg

2009-02-06T21:33:58Z

Coffeeandink: corrected biographical information

'''[http://coffeeandink.livejournal.com/ Micole Iris Sudberg]''' is a blogger who has published several fantasy short stories. She was formerly an Assistant Editor at [[Tor Books]]<ref>[http://www.tarakharper.com/k_factor.htm#writing TARA K. HARPER WRITER'S WORKSHOP: Factors that Influence the Success of a Book]</ref> who assisted [[Patrick Nielsen Hayden]] and worked with several consulting editors such as [[Terri Windling]], [[Delia Sherman]], [[Beth Meacham]], and [[Teresa Nielsen Hayden]]. She no longer works in publishing.

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The Eclipse One Cover Debate (WisCon 32 panel)

2008-06-04T17:43:16Z

Coffeeandink: Added link to my report as a panel participant

[[The Eclipse One Cover Debate (WisCon 32 panel)|153 The Eclipse One Cover Debate]]

Feminism & Other Social Change Movements • Sunday, 2:30-3:45 P.M. • Wisconsin

Last year when Night Shade Books released the cover for their anthology, ''Eclipse One'', a debate broke out over the names represented on the front. Namely, in an anthology that had 50/50 male and female authors, only male names appeared on the cover. The ensuing argument centered around two main points—the publishers felt that, of the authors in the anthology, the names they'd put on the cover were likely to attract the attention of more casual buyers. And because they were in the business of making money, they could not afford to put an 'agenda' ahead of anything else. Readers felt that, because no women were given a slot on the cover, the publishers were reinforcing patriarchal assumptions about who sells books, and who doesn't. Some expressed the opinion that the lack of women on the cover was actually likely to deter them from buying the book. In this panel, which will be a debate, let's explore both sides in depth. Does indulging agendas and ideals hinder profit? Or can adhering to an ideal lead to different and/or better ways of creating more profit?

M: [[K. Tempest Bradford]], [[Micole Sudberg]], [[Eileen Gunn]], [[Robyn Fleming]], [[Jeremy Lassen]]

== Transcripts and Notes ==

Notes by [[Janice Dawley]]:

Tempest gives some history of the controversy (which she says took place the internet equivalent of five years ago – in other words, last August). She and Jeremy decided this would be a good jumping off point for a WisCon discussion about the world of publishing and why certain decisions are made.

Eileen Gunn used to be the Marketing Director at Microsoft, back in the 80s, “When it was small and cute.” Cool!

Lassen says that the decision of which names to print on the cover was based simply on sales metrics and categorization (people known as SF authors, since the book was going to be displayed in the SF section). His description of the name selection process actually sounds pretty vague. Garth Nix is sold in the SF section? Really?

Eileen makes a distinction between marketing to the chain buyers vs. marketing to the actual readers. Jeremy says he was trying to appeal to both. Eileen also points out that the cover is less important than the spine after the initial display period.

Her first reaction to seeing the collection: “This is a book for guys.” She had just rejected another collection as being full of men, and was irritated when she saw ''Eclipse One'' and assumed it was full of men as well. But then she realized, “_I’m_ in this book!” She considers the art and the list of names to be a misrepresentation of the contents; it’s kind of a miss in terms of advertising.

Micole talks about her reaction to the book. But first, her work in web response testing. She says this testing isn’t practical for books given the technology and the size of the audience. She clarifies that people aren’t saying Jeremy is a sexist asshole, just that the results in this case perpetuate sexism. The names printed on the cover act as publicity for the authors, in addition to reflecting their current popularity. Reinforcement. Male privilege was also displayed in the online conversation in which some male publishing professionals (Jeremy and Jason) were outraged at the criticism. Conflation of personal opinion with corporate opinion when people post as “nightshade books”. “You want to suck up to your customers” – these guys didn’t. Instead, they said people just didn’t understand marketing, didn’t get what they were trying to do, etc. She says that Tempest saw the conversation divided along publisher/reader lines, but Micole saw it as male/female. Examples of women being ignored and men being listened to when they said the same things.

Robyn looks at the cover: “There IS a woman on there! I thought that was something else” (i.e. a penis). Laughter. She says the cover was completely unappealing to her; her eyes slid right over it.

Tempest asks if there is a way for anthology covers to appeal to buyers without having names on the cover at all. Jeremy says no, and [[Sharyn November]] in the audience says loudly, “Yes!” She says she took herself off this panel because she knew she’d be growling the whole time.

Jeremy admits that he got heated in online debate because he was so invested in the project. He says some people maintained that he “shouldn’t have bothered” putting out the collection. He says the cover is by [[Michael Whelan]], cost a lot less than it normally would, and codes just the way he wanted it to. Eileen points out that it doesn’t even look like Michael Whelan art. “OK,” says Jeremy. He admits that the entire production process was rushed and could have been better thought out. “Those are excuses,” says someone, and he agrees.

Eileen says the cover reminds her of “Literary fiction of the '70s.” which means it seems completely out of date.

Jeremy says there is a “zero sum game” in marketing. Once you position yourself for one market, you are closing yourself off from another one. He was trying to trick readers of SF adventure fiction into reading his anthology, even though it is full of literary SF.

Eileen: “If you were Microsoft, I would tell you that you can never trick your customers! That’s a very bad approach to marketing. You should try to APPEAL to your customers.”

Robyn says that she might have wanted to pick up the anthology if either the art or the cover copy were different, but the combination really doesn’t work.

Micole says it really does look like a “boys’ own adventure” book. She says the process of marketing doesn’t really matter to her; it’s the results that matter. Regardless of the “ungendered” nature of the marketing/production process, the fact that the book will actually turn off potential women readers is a gendered failure.

Eileen challenges the “zero sum” theory a bit by saying that when you market a book, you have to keep in mind your various audiences and give “tidbits” to all of them. This book didn’t do that. She also says that this panel has brought up a whole lot of things that were already mentioned online, and now, as then, she thinks that Jeremy’s reaction ought to be “Wow, I made a mistake; I apologize.” The response should absolutely NOT be, “I DIDN’T make a mistake. You just don’t understand.”

[[Jef a. Smith]] in audience asks if Night Shade will market test covers more online after this experience. Jeremy says he would love to “if [he] had [his] shit together”, but he doesn’t. As for what’s up with Eclipse 2, he says he will be using the same metric method as before, and in this case at least 2 (maybe three) of the four names will be women. Also the choice of cover art will consciously not be “boys’ own”.

Sharyn November says she is not going to ask questions, she’s just going to make points.

* This conversation wouldn’t have happened with a major publisher
* She would have advised Jeremy to not respond to the criticisms online because it makes more trouble than it’s worth
* She likes the cover, actually. Would she have bought it? She doesn’t know, she got it for free.
* She produces anthologies and never puts names on the front; they’re always on the back. She said “what about this idea?” online, and there was NO reaction. It really pissed her off because it made the conversation almost entirely negative.

She also asks “how did the book sell?” Jeremy says it sold exactly to expectations, and they have a commitment to at least three volumes.

An audience member asks how far you can excuse marketing decisions in pursuit of sales. What about cover art that portrays black characters as white? Is that OK? Jeremy says he has published a lot of women and marginalized people, but he feels more able to “fight those battles” with novels and single author collections. The audience member says that his plan to use the same rationale for picking the names on the cover for volume 2 is not OK just because it HAPPENS to result in some female names this time. Does he really think this is a good idea? He says, “If it means we can have another discussion like this next year, yes.” Oooh, sarcasm.

[[Pat Murphy]] in audience says the point about the “gatekeepers” of publishing is really important and could be its own panel at a future WisCon. She also says she almost never browses in bookstores and questions how many other people do. Almost all her reading choices are made because of online recommendations.

An audience member asks, “how important are the names below the first two?” Can’t you put some potentially less saleable names below? Jeremy says he could if he had a real Hugo-winning bestseller in the collection, but in this case the influence of the names was more dispersed and he was taking a chance that any one of the names would be recognizable to the readers.

[[Ysabeau Wilce]] in audience says that as an author in the collection she supports whatever needs to be done to sell the book, even if it means a bunch of men’s names on the cover.

== Links ==
[http://coffeeandink.livejournal.com/828506.html Micole Sudberg's report as a panel participant]

[[Category:WisCon 32 panels]]