Animal, Human, Alien (WisCon 30 Panel) - Revision history

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	==Transcript Notes==		==Transcript Notes==

			''Original transcript notes by Laura Quilter - please correct or fill in or add commentary''

	EB: animals as allegory		EB: animals as allegory

Lquilter: Animal, Human, Alien (WisCon 30 Panels) moved to Animal, Human, Alien (WisCon 30 Panel)

2006-06-09T12:52:36Z

Animal, Human, Alien (WisCon 30 Panels) moved to Animal, Human, Alien (WisCon 30 Panel)

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	EB: specifically a venomous snake		EB: specifically a venomous snake

	TLF: he feels a deep sense of shame that he didn'~~tn nwelcome~~ it to the world but ~~it's~~ world is the earth. one thing we know about animals is that they have to adapt or survive. we have to do that too.		TLF: he feels a deep sense of shame that he didn't welcome it to the world but its world is the earth. one thing we know about animals is that they have to adapt or survive. we have to do that too.

	EB: anyone care to speak of animals as earth, ties into age-old feminism as earth		EB: anyone care to speak of animals as earth, ties into age-old feminism as earth
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	EB: lady in green then Ben		EB: lady in green then Ben

	aud/lady in green: slightly different direction but talking about all these things makes me think back to Tea With the Black Dragon; there we have an entity a dragon w/ ancient wisdom linked to the earth assumes a gender, an idealized male, who is a better companion for a female protagonist of novel than any male could be.		aud/lady in green: slightly different direction but talking about all these things makes me think back to [[Tea With the Black Dragon]]; there we have an entity a dragon w/ ancient wisdom linked to the earth assumes a gender, an idealized male, who is a better companion for a female protagonist of novel than any male could be.

	DL: whole gay boyfriend thing.		DL: whole gay boyfriend thing.
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	DL: i've never been able to read that story without thinking that we tell little girls they should kiss the ugly frog and it will turn into a handsome prince		DL: i've never been able to read that story without thinking that we tell little girls they should kiss the ugly frog and it will turn into a handsome prince

	DL: you show a character is evil by having dog or cat react badly. LH: tribbles. DL: horses are nervous ... they're all more sensitive to us		DL: you show a character is evil by having dog or cat react badly.

			LH: tribbles.

			DL: horses are nervous ... they're all more sensitive to us

	EB: what about aslan & two girls' relationship ... anything other than xtian allegory?		EB: what about aslan & two girls' relationship ... anything other than xtian allegory?
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	aud 3: telepathic treecat.		aud 3: telepathic treecat.

	aud 1: in whole long ranger thing silver & tonto are both companion animals to lone ranger.		aud/[[Diantha Day Sprouse]]: in whole long ranger thing silver & tonto are both companion animals to lone ranger.

	DL: who is closer to roy rogers, dale or trigger?		DL: who is closer to roy rogers, dale or trigger?
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			aud/[[Hal Duncan]]: Gilgamesh & Enkidu

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	audience/warblogger in front row: i just want to mention a whole bunch of different variants on human/animal in different fiction. sirius by olaf stapledon told by a hyper-intelligent dog having a love affairs w/ human woman he was raised with and gwen the crazy-making bitch he was raised with ... and love of his life he grew up with and he is a human, too stmart for dogs, not human; a fascinating book. clifford simak in city; when humans leave earth & have to completely re-adapt themselves ; they take their dogs with them who also get adapted. another human animal interrelationsh that really freaked me out was supergirl's superhorse; in ancient greece a centaur and a woman who fell in love with him ... and ties into john varley's centaurs in titan trilogy.		audience/warblogger in front row: i just want to mention a whole bunch of different variants on human/animal in different fiction. sirius by olaf stapledon told by a hyper-intelligent dog having a love affairs w/ human woman he was raised with and gwen the crazy-making bitch he was raised with ... and love of his life he grew up with and he is a human, too stmart for dogs, not human; a fascinating book. clifford simak in city; when humans leave earth & have to completely re-adapt themselves ; they take their dogs with them who also get adapted. another human animal interrelationsh that really freaked me out was supergirl's superhorse; in ancient greece a centaur and a woman who fell in love with him ... and ties into john varley's centaurs in titan trilogy.

	audience: suggestion ~~/ eliz bear~~ shut them down		audience: suggestion (EB shut them down, said not on point, different panel)

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	EB: ties back into david's earlier point; you think about animals carrying something out. ... gendering: Do animals carry out a narratively feminine role as it says in the panel?		EB: ties back into david's earlier point; you think about animals carrying something out. ... gendering: Do animals carry out a narratively feminine role as it says in the panel?
	I mentioned david brin w/ cordwainer smith.
			? I mentioned david brin w/ cordwainer smith.

	DL: the animals are the servants, the permanent lower class ... also in dr. moreau		DL: the animals are the servants, the permanent lower class ... also in dr. moreau
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	aud: after narnia, another book on everyone's hate list, watership down.		aud: after narnia, another book on everyone's hate list, watership down.

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2006-05-31T02:45:55Z

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2006-05-31T01:13:19Z

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	[[Elizabeth Bear]] (moderator), [[Liz Henry]], [[Tom La Farge]], [[Ursula K. Le Guin]], [[David D. Levine]], [[Lisa Tuttle]]		[[Elizabeth Bear]] (moderator), [[Liz Henry]], [[Tom La Farge]], [[Ursula K. Le Guin]], [[David D. Levine]], [[Lisa Tuttle]]

			==Panel Description==
			Let's talk about books which explore animal/human boundaries as a way to explore gender and, often, race. Books where women become animals, or animals take on a narratively feminine gender role. Examples would be Carmen Dog, Troll, Mister Boots, books like that. What roles do we project on animals? The trope of the telepathic companion animal as perfect Wife, or as the externalization of the heroine's object position and disempowerment. What are the boundaries of sentience? In fact, animals, aliens, and AIs all explore this idea.

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Lquilter at 01:12, 31 May 2006

2006-05-31T01:12:01Z

New page

==Panelists==

[[Elizabeth Bear]] (moderator), [[Liz Henry]], [[Tom La Farge]], [[Ursula K. Le Guin]], [[David D. Levine]], [[Lisa Tuttle]]

==External Links==

* [http://truepenny.livejournal.com/439183.html Sarah Monette's notes]

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