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	M: Vonda N. McIntyre, L. Timmel Duchamp, Janet Lafler, B, Laura M. Quilter (planned but delayed by plane), Susanna J. Sturgis, [[Liz Henry]] (added to replace Laura Quilter)		M: Vonda N. McIntyre]], [[L. Timmel Duchamp]], [[Janet Lafler]], [[B]], [[Laura M. Quilter]] (planned but delayed by plane), [[Susanna J. Sturgis]], [[Liz Henry]] (added to replace Laura Quilter)

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	44 What Would a Feminist Think Tank Look Like?		44 What Would a Feminist Think Tank Look Like?
	Politics, Religion, and Money•Conference Room 4• Friday, 8:45-10:00 p.m.		Politics, Religion, and Money•Conference Room 4• Friday, 8:45-10:00 p.m.
	For decades WisCon has been an annual three– or four–day think tank for feminist SFF: people descend on Madison from all over North America and the world to pool ideas, experiences, and reading lists; these ingredients catch fire, combine in new ways, and are carried out into the world by recharged participants. In the wider world, feminism has been diluted into a laundry list of "women's issues," and feminists have dispersed into various movements and local projects. Many of us are isolated from each other, from recent feminist history, and from grassroots theory–making. What if feminism had a year–round WisCon? How would it work? Should it happen?
			For decades [[WisCon]] has been an annual three– or four–day think tank for feminist SFF: people descend on Madison from all over North America and the world to pool ideas, experiences, and reading lists; these ingredients catch fire, combine in new ways, and are carried out into the world by recharged participants. In the wider world, feminism has been diluted into a laundry list of "women's issues," and feminists have dispersed into various movements and local projects. Many of us are isolated from each other, from recent feminist history, and from grassroots theory–making. What if feminism had a year–round WisCon? How would it work? Should it happen?


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	person in audience: I was assuming people were thinking about things the way that i do. But I grew up reading sf books that belonged to my daddy... (!) My imagination is far out there... 1000 years in the future... [[paraphrase: I judge people as being uneducated... irrational arguments]] I don't get why they're doing what they're doing so i'm not effective in debate.		person in audience: I was assuming people were thinking about things the way that i do. But I grew up reading sf books that belonged to my daddy... (!) My imagination is far out there... 1000 years in the future... [paraphrase: I judge people as being uneducated... irrational arguments] I don't get why they're doing what they're doing so i'm not effective in debate.

	green scarf:. Liz something: That's part of listening....		green scarf:. Liz something: That's part of listening....
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	** looking over this real quick I think Andrea Hairston was speaking a lot but i didn't know her name till later that evening so she is just "audience" 8-( - LH **		** looking over this real quick I think Andrea Hairston was speaking a lot but i didn't know her name till later that evening so she is just "audience" 8-( - LH **


	== Annotations and Extrapolations ==		== Annotations and Extrapolations ==

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	M: Vonda N. McIntyre, L. Timmel Duchamp, Janet Lafler, B, Laura M. Quilter, Susanna J. Sturgis		M: Vonda N. McIntyre, L. Timmel Duchamp, Janet Lafler, B, Laura M. Quilter (planned but delayed by plane), Susanna J. Sturgis, [[Liz Henry]] (added to replace Laura Quilter)


	== Panel Description ==		== Panel Description ==

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	* http://www.saint-mike.org/apologetics/sifhr/whoweare.asp		* http://www.saint-mike.org/apologetics/sifhr/whoweare.asp



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			M: Vonda N. McIntyre, L. Timmel Duchamp, Janet Lafler, B, Laura M. Quilter, Susanna J. Sturgis


	== Panel Description ==		== Panel Description ==

			44 What Would a Feminist Think Tank Look Like?
			Politics, Religion, and Money•Conference Room 4• Friday, 8:45-10:00 p.m.
			For decades WisCon has been an annual three– or four–day think tank for feminist SFF: people descend on Madison from all over North America and the world to pool ideas, experiences, and reading lists; these ingredients catch fire, combine in new ways, and are carried out into the world by recharged participants. In the wider world, feminism has been diluted into a laundry list of "women's issues," and feminists have dispersed into various movements and local projects. Many of us are isolated from each other, from recent feminist history, and from grassroots theory–making. What if feminism had a year–round WisCon? How would it work? Should it happen?


	== Transcript / Notes ==		== Transcript / Notes ==

Liz Henry at 15:32, 14 June 2006

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	** looking over this real quick I think Andrea Hairston was speaking a lot but i didn't know her name till later that evening so she is just "audience" 8-( - LH **		** looking over this real quick I think Andrea Hairston was speaking a lot but i didn't know her name till later that evening so she is just "audience" 8-( - LH **


			== Annotations and Extrapolations ==

			What we meant to say, what we wish we'd said, what everyone wants to add to all that.




	== External Links ==		== External Links ==

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Liz Henry at 18:01, 12 June 2006

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	general audience murmur of normalizing, etc		general audience murmur of normalizing, etc

	[someone] ... and I think of times I see that [normalizing] happen with ideas i find horrible and unthinkable... feminist ideas that I love should be pushed more into the mainstream		[someone] ... and I think of times I see that [normalizing] happen with ideas I find horrible and unthinkable... feminist ideas that I love should be pushed more into the mainstream

	Vonda: can be coopted for good, just because a thing is evil doesn't mean the process is evil.		Vonda: can be coopted for good, just because a thing is evil doesn't mean the process is evil.

	Janet: A thing in New York Review of Books about Jane Jacobs. Urbanist. Deep critic of urban design nods from audience in early 60s She was self tuaght largely, wrote on the death and life of great american cities. Activist for rest of her life.		Janet: A thing in New York Review of Books about Jane Jacobs. Urbanist. Deep critic of urban design nods from audience in early 60s She was self tuaght largely, wrote on the death and life of great american cities. Activist for rest of her life.

	audience: She stopped them building the highway thru manhattan, thru the village.		audience: She stopped them building the highway thru manhattan, thru the village.
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	Janet: She just died a few weeks ago. Important women thinkers of 20th century a really weird list. rachel carson, julia child, betty friedan. thing that linked them in the mind of the writer is that they had a deep apprication of the forms of everyday life. that woudl be an interesting approach right there.		Janet: She just died a few weeks ago. Important women thinkers of 20th century a really weird list. rachel carson, julia child, betty friedan. thing that linked them in the mind of the writer is that they had a deep apprication of the forms of everyday life. that woudl be an interesting approach right there.

	~~susanna~~: read ~~jane jacobs~~ early in college, made me look at how space affects how people relate. ~~era~~ of 26 story high ~~buildlings~~, muggings, etc.		Susanna: I read Jane Jacobs early in college, and it made me look at how space affects how people relate. Era of 26 story high buildings, muggings, etc.
	audience, does martha steweart qualify for this thnk tanmk? hahaha

	~~beth~~: happens in media over and over, our qusetions and interests get reframed. when carly fiorina lost her ceo job. then when she lost it , articles over and over, would htey ever give a woman a ceo job...again... then whhen eisner lost his jbo i looked and looked... no aritlce on man gettin a ceo job again... hahaha		Audience: Does Martha Stewart qualify for this think tank? hahaha

	~~suzana~~: ~~it did nto take a huge number of peple to take~~ over ~~the republian party~~. ~~there is nothingg on the left~~, ~~that gravitational pull~~, ~~there is nothing keeping the democratic party. one of the maistakes from my youth, we latched ontno~~ a ~~good didea and we ditnt get t that diversity was key. peple can pursue~~ a ~~goal in different valid ways~~. ~~many things have to be goingn on at onc~~.~~e ongoing battles in feminism~~. ~~the eroel fo separatism~~. ~~we didnt' all have to separatists~~. ~~just having a pool of people who were experimentig on the edge, kept us twho were closer to the middle asking questions~~. Am I ~~giving up too much? not everyone has to go off~~ and ~~live onthe land~~.. ~~or give up sex or have sex all the time~~. ~~that increases the range of our imagination~~. ~~we are missing that so much,~~		Beth: This happens in media over and over, our quetions and interests get reframed. when Carly Fiorina lost her CEO job. When she lost it, articles over and over, would they ever give a woman a ceo job...again... then when Eisner lost his job I looked and looked... no article on man getting a ceo job again... hahaha

	~~euan bear~~: the ~~left~~... ~~[misseed it]~~		Susanna: it did not take a huge number of people to take over the republican party. There is nothing on the left, that gravitational pull, there is nothing keeping the democratic party. One of the mistakes from my youth, we latched ontno a good idea and we didn't get it that diversity was key. People can pursue a goal in different valid ways. Many things have to be going on at once. Ongoing battles in feminism. the era of separatism. We didn't all have to be separatists. Just having a pool of people who were experimentig on the edge, kept us who were closer to the middle asking questions. Am I giving up too much? Not everyone has to go off and live on the land.. or give up sex or have sex all the time. That increases the range of our imagination. we are missing that so much...

	~~suzanna and so much of that is happening on~~ the ~~right~~		euan bear: the left... [missed it]

	~~timmi~~: ~~theyve just 15 percent,~~		Susanna: and so much of that is happening on the right

	~~audientce~~: ~~participiatior~~ democracy... harder than authoritarians. it's earlier to ~~incorproate~~ so many divergent views. which is why we look sloppy.		Timmi: they've got just 15 percent,

			Audience: participatory democracy... harder than authoritarians. it's earlier to incorporate so many divergent views. which is why we look sloppy.
	audience: keeping the other infear of loss of power. the others are cowed , the repubs, then boom.		audience: keeping the other infear of loss of power. the others are cowed , the repubs, then boom.

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	Vonda: intro		Vonda: intro

	Liz - here for Laura Quilter whose flight was delayed. wiki.		Liz - Am here for Laura Quilter whose flight was delayed. Brief description of the feministsf wiki.

	Timmi: publisher, novelist		Timmi: publisher, novelist

	Susanna: panel was her idea. Talking about feminism without having to explain why you're doing it. All year round feminist presence. So much forgotten. Pressure cooker for feminist ideas.		Susanna: The panel was her idea. Talking about feminism without having to explain why you're doing it. All year round feminist presence. So much forgotten. Pressure cooker for feminist ideas.

	Beth: ~~feminism~~ and women's issues/problems reframed in last 20 years as individual problems we're supposed to go off and solve on our own.		Beth: Feminism and women's issues/problems reframed in last 20 years as individual problems we're supposed to go off and solve on our own.

	Vonda - Standing on shoulders of Le Guin etc. Door openers for us. [We want to keep opening those doors for others & future generations.]		Vonda - Standing on shoulders of Le Guin etc. Door openers for us. [We want to keep opening those doors for others & future generations.]
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	Timmi - But we really need the physical institute.		Timmi - But we really need the physical institute.

	Beth: important that [.....] What ~~suzanna~~ said about early CR feminist movement, free love, got pregnant at 19. World becaome diferent and issues became different. When I was juggling trying to raise kids and daily life, academic argument became irrrelevant and dysfunctional. What I see is the think tank becoming this room. Go back to your communties you're from even if they're not feminist communities. I work for a bank. My president knows I'm going to a femsf conf and he's fascinated. Male white 55 yr old bank pres. you CAN have that conversation with them.		Beth: important that [.....] What Susanna said about early CR feminist movement, free love, got pregnant at 19. World becaome diferent and issues became different. When I was juggling trying to raise kids and daily life, academic argument became irrrelevant and dysfunctional. What I see is the think tank becoming this room. Go back to your communties you're from even if they're not feminist communities. I work for a bank. My president knows I'm going to a femsf conf and he's fascinated. Male white 55 yr old bank pres. you CAN have that conversation with them.

	Liz: That is a different thing that the focus and push forward and not having to explain feminism...		Liz: That is a different thing that the focus and push forward and not having to explain feminism...
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	Beth: we need both		Beth: we need both

	Audience member: we need both! ~~there~~'s not either or.		Audience member: We need both! There's not an either / or.

	Susanna: ~~there~~'s almost no good idea that can't get ~~screweed~~ up by group dynamics		Susanna: There's almost no good idea that can't get screwed up by group dynamics

	general laughter		general laughter

	~~vonda~~: [....]		Vonda: [....]

	~~janet~~: Taking these ideas and transforming them into action. Conservative think tanks. heritage foundation etc. ~~how~~ to frame the core of idea sn then funnel that into media outlets with which ~~t hey~~ are affiliated....		Janet: Taking these ideas and transforming them into action. Conservative think tanks. heritage foundation etc. How to frame the core of idea sn then funnel that into media outlets with which they are affiliated....

	~~janet~~: taking these ideas and transforming them into action. conservative think tanks. heritage foundation etc. how to frame the core of idea sn then funnel that into media outlets with which t hey are affiliated....		Janet: taking these ideas and transforming them into action. conservative think tanks. heritage foundation etc. how to frame the core of idea sn then funnel that into media outlets with which t hey are affiliated....

	~~timmi~~: there are other think tnaks though. the right wing...		Timmi: there are other think tnaks though. the right wing...

	~~janet~~: yes there are. but the rw is more powerful at this point. part is having easy access to get these ideas out into the mainstream one of the strategies is ... on a blog recently if you have an idea percieved as outlandish... your goal is to make it seem merely radical and then reasonable... normalize it		Janet: yes there are. but the rw is more powerful at this point. part is having easy access to get these ideas out into the mainstream one of the strategies is ... on a blog recently if you have an idea percieved as outlandish... your goal is to make it seem merely radical and then reasonable... normalize it

	general audience murmur of ~~normaliziing~~,etc		general audience murmur of normalizing, etc

	... and i think of times i see that happen with ideas i find horrible and unthinkable... feminist ideas that i love ~~shouod~~ be pushed more into the mainstream		[someone] ... and I think of times I see that [normalizing] happen with ideas i find horrible and unthinkable... feminist ideas that I love should be pushed more into the mainstream

	~~vonda~~: can be ~~coppted~~ for good, just bc thing is evil ~~doesnt~~ mean process is		Vonda: can be coopted for good, just because a thing is evil doesn't mean the process is evil.
	evil.

	~~janet; think~~ in ~~nyrof books~~ ~~abotu jane jacobs~~. ~~urbanist~~. ~~deep~~ critic of urban design nods from audience in early 60s self tuaght largely, death and life of great american ~~ccities~~. ~~activist~~ for rest r of her life.		Janet: A thing in New York Review of Books about Jane Jacobs. Urbanist. Deep critic of urban design nods from audience in early 60s She was self tuaght largely, wrote on the death and life of great american cities. Activist for rest of her life.
	~~audience: stopped thembuilding highway thru manhattan, thru village.~~

	~~janet~~: ~~she just died a few weeks ago. Important women thinkers of 20th centurely a realky weird list. rachel carson, julia child, betty friedan. thin g that linked~~ them ~~int he mind of~~ the ~~writer is that they had a deep apprication of~~ the ~~forms of everyday life. that woudl be an interesting approach right there~~.		audience: She stopped them building the highway thru manhattan, thru the village.

	~~suzanna~~: read jane jacobs early in college, made me look at how space affects how people relate. era of 26 story high buildlings, muggings, etc.		Janet: She just died a few weeks ago. Important women thinkers of 20th century a really weird list. rachel carson, julia child, betty friedan. thing that linked them in the mind of the writer is that they had a deep apprication of the forms of everyday life. that woudl be an interesting approach right there.

			susanna: read jane jacobs early in college, made me look at how space affects how people relate. era of 26 story high buildlings, muggings, etc.
	audience, does martha steweart qualify for this thnk tanmk? hahaha		audience, does martha steweart qualify for this thnk tanmk? hahaha

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	Susanna: The panel was her idea. Talking about feminism without having to explain why you're doing it. All year round feminist presence. So much forgotten. Pressure cooker for feminist ideas.		Susanna: The panel was her idea. Talking about feminism without having to explain why you're doing it. All year round feminist presence. So much forgotten. Pressure cooker for feminist ideas.

	~~Beth~~: Feminism and women's issues/problems reframed in last 20 years as individual problems we're supposed to go off and solve on our own.		B.:: Feminism and women's issues/problems reframed in last 20 years as individual problems we're supposed to go off and solve on our own.

	Vonda - Standing on shoulders of Le Guin etc. Door openers for us. [We want to keep opening those doors for others & future generations.]		Vonda - Standing on shoulders of Le Guin etc. Door openers for us. [We want to keep opening those doors for others & future generations.]
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	Timmi - But we really need the physical institute.		Timmi - But we really need the physical institute.

	~~Beth~~: important that [.....] What Susanna said about early CR feminist movement, free love, got pregnant at 19. World becaome diferent and issues became different. When I was juggling trying to raise kids and daily life, academic argument became irrrelevant and dysfunctional. What I see is the think tank becoming this room. Go back to your communties you're from even if they're not feminist communities. I work for a bank. My president knows I'm going to a femsf conf and he's fascinated. Male white 55 yr old bank pres. you CAN have that conversation with them.		B.:: important that [.....] What Susanna said about early CR feminist movement, free love, got pregnant at 19. World becaome diferent and issues became different. When I was juggling trying to raise kids and daily life, academic argument became irrrelevant and dysfunctional. What I see is the think tank becoming this room. Go back to your communties you're from even if they're not feminist communities. I work for a bank. My president knows I'm going to a femsf conf and he's fascinated. Male white 55 yr old bank pres. you CAN have that conversation with them.

	Liz: That is a different thing that the focus and push forward and not having to explain feminism...		Liz: That is a different thing that the focus and push forward and not having to explain feminism...

	~~Beth~~: we need both		B.:: we need both

	Audience member: We need both! There's not an either / or.		Audience member: We need both! There's not an either / or.
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	Audience: Does Martha Stewart qualify for this think tank? hahaha		Audience: Does Martha Stewart qualify for this think tank? hahaha

	~~Beth~~: This happens in media over and over, our quetions and interests get reframed. when Carly Fiorina lost her CEO job. When she lost it, articles over and over, would they ever give a woman a ceo job...again... then when Eisner lost his job I looked and looked... no article on man getting a ceo job again... hahaha		B.:: This happens in media over and over, our quetions and interests get reframed. when Carly Fiorina lost her CEO job. When she lost it, articles over and over, would they ever give a woman a ceo job...again... then when Eisner lost his job I looked and looked... no article on man getting a ceo job again... hahaha

	Susanna: it did not take a huge number of people to take over the republican party. There is nothing on the left, that gravitational pull, there is nothing keeping the democratic party. One of the mistakes from my youth, we latched ontno a good idea and we didn't get it that diversity was key. People can pursue a goal in different valid ways. Many things have to be going on at once. Ongoing battles in feminism. the era of separatism. We didn't all have to be separatists. Just having a pool of people who were experimentig on the edge, kept us who were closer to the middle asking questions. Am I giving up too much? Not everyone has to go off and live on the land.. or give up sex or have sex all the time. That increases the range of our imagination. we are missing that so much...		Susanna: it did not take a huge number of people to take over the republican party. There is nothing on the left, that gravitational pull, there is nothing keeping the democratic party. One of the mistakes from my youth, we latched ontno a good idea and we didn't get it that diversity was key. People can pursue a goal in different valid ways. Many things have to be going on at once. Ongoing battles in feminism. the era of separatism. We didn't all have to be separatists. Just having a pool of people who were experimentig on the edge, kept us who were closer to the middle asking questions. Am I giving up too much? Not everyone has to go off and live on the land.. or give up sex or have sex all the time. That increases the range of our imagination. we are missing that so much...
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	~~beth~~: basic diffrence in ways peopel process information. one thing that confuses me is i can't se this piece w/out seeing this and this and this and this...		B.:: basic diffrence in ways peopel process information. one thing that confuses me is i can't se this piece w/out seeing this and this and this and this...

	audience: well duh!		audience: well duh!

	~~beth~~: but most peopel can not only focus on just that one pice, they don't see anythingn else. and oen woman i had problems commuicating with . she had never understood that a whole is not the sum of its parts, it's how they interconnect. ... theh point i wwant to get back to is we have the rt wing manipulation of the world arouhd us and the terms go down to that simple issue... b/c people make de isions on that simple issue.		B.:: but most peopel can not only focus on just that one pice, they don't see anythingn else. and oen woman i had problems commuicating with . she had never understood that a whole is not the sum of its parts, it's how they interconnect. ... theh point i wwant to get back to is we have the rt wing manipulation of the world arouhd us and the terms go down to that simple issue... b/c people make de isions on that simple issue.

	audience: the flood, the air, that is inevitable, that is your goal, to be alive.		audience: the flood, the air, that is inevitable, that is your goal, to be alive.
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	~~beth~~ asks me my experience as a young feminist		B.: asks me my experience as a young feminist

	HAHAHA i'm almost 40		HAHAHA i'm almost 40