Genre Tokenism Today (WisCon 31 panel) - Revision history

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	Description: After the untimely death of the great writer [[Octavia E. Butler]], some have asked who will take her place. A panel of African-descended women currently writing genre fiction addresses this question, talking about Octavia's oeuvre and their own: similarities, differences, market forces, and the pressures to model their contributions to the field on hers. How many ways is this question just plain wrong? Who has a vested interest in there being "an Octavia," new or old? What would "a new Octavia" look like? How does her literary legacy affect the field today, and how might it do so in the future? And how does this legacy relate to this disturbing question?		Description: After the untimely death of the great writer [[Octavia E. Butler]], some have asked who will take her place. A panel of African-descended women currently writing genre fiction addresses this question, talking about Octavia's oeuvre and their own: similarities, differences, market forces, and the pressures to model their contributions to the field on hers. How many ways is this question just plain wrong? Who has a vested interest in there being "an Octavia," new or old? What would "a new Octavia" look like? How does her literary legacy affect the field today, and how might it do so in the future? And how does this legacy relate to this disturbing question?

	Panelists: M: [[Nora ~~Jemison~~]] (moderator), [[K Tempest Bradford]], [[Candra K. Gill]], [[Nnedi Nkemdili Okorafor-Mbachu]], [[Nisi Shawl]]		Panelists: M: [[N. K. (Nora) Jemisin]] (moderator), [[K Tempest Bradford]], [[Candra K. Gill]], [[Nnedi Nkemdili Okorafor-Mbachu]], [[Nisi Shawl]]

	==Reports, notes, discussions==		==Reports, notes, discussions==
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	Genre Tokenism		Genre Tokenism

	[[Nisi Shawl]], [[Candra K. Gill]], [[~~Nora Jemison~~]], [[K. Tempest Bradford]], [[Nnedi Nkemdili Okorafor-Mbachu]]		[[Nisi Shawl]], [[Candra K. Gill]], [[N. K. Jemisin]], [[K. Tempest Bradford]], [[Nnedi Nkemdili Okorafor-Mbachu]]

	===introductions===		===introductions===

Lquilter: /* Reports, notes, discussions */ cyborg companion

2008-04-22T18:51:29Z

Reports, notes, discussions: cyborg companion

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	* [http://books.thehathorlegacy.info/genre-tokenism-today-the-new-octavia-butler-panel-report/ Revena's report]		* [http://books.thehathorlegacy.info/genre-tokenism-today-the-new-octavia-butler-panel-report/ Revena's report]
	* [http://oyceter.livejournal.com/605061.html oyceter's report]		* [http://oyceter.livejournal.com/605061.html oyceter's report]
			* [http://cyborgcompanion.blogspot.com/2008/04/nalo-hopkinson-in-june-of-2007-roughly.html Cyborg Companion]

	==transcript==		==transcript==

67.160.250.78: /* Reports, notes, discussions */

2007-07-13T19:24:09Z

Reports, notes, discussions

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	* [http://coffeeandink.livejournal.com/704321.html coffeeandink's report]		* [http://coffeeandink.livejournal.com/704321.html coffeeandink's report]
	* [http://books.thehathorlegacy.info/genre-tokenism-today-the-new-octavia-butler-panel-report/ Revena's report]		* [http://books.thehathorlegacy.info/genre-tokenism-today-the-new-octavia-butler-panel-report/ Revena's report]
			* [http://oyceter.livejournal.com/605061.html oyceter's report]

	==transcript==		==transcript==

71.36.118.171: /* Reports, notes, discussions */

2007-07-13T19:06:13Z

Reports, notes, discussions

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	* [http://tacithydra.livejournal.com/28990.html tacithydra report]		* [http://tacithydra.livejournal.com/28990.html tacithydra report]
	* [http://coffeeandink.livejournal.com/704321.html coffeeandink's report]		* [http://coffeeandink.livejournal.com/704321.html coffeeandink's report]
			* [http://books.thehathorlegacy.info/genre-tokenism-today-the-new-octavia-butler-panel-report/ Revena's report]

	==transcript==		==transcript==

Lquilter: link

2007-06-21T04:56:27Z

link

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	: Time: Saturday, 10:00-11:15 a.m.		: Time: Saturday, 10:00-11:15 a.m.

	Description: After the untimely death of the great writer Octavia E. Butler, some have asked who will take her place. A panel of African-descended women currently writing genre fiction addresses this question, talking about Octavia's oeuvre and their own: similarities, differences, market forces, and the pressures to model their contributions to the field on hers. How many ways is this question just plain wrong? Who has a vested interest in there being "an Octavia," new or old? What would "a new Octavia" look like? How does her literary legacy affect the field today, and how might it do so in the future? And how does this legacy relate to this disturbing question?		Description: After the untimely death of the great writer [[Octavia E. Butler]], some have asked who will take her place. A panel of African-descended women currently writing genre fiction addresses this question, talking about Octavia's oeuvre and their own: similarities, differences, market forces, and the pressures to model their contributions to the field on hers. How many ways is this question just plain wrong? Who has a vested interest in there being "an Octavia," new or old? What would "a new Octavia" look like? How does her literary legacy affect the field today, and how might it do so in the future? And how does this legacy relate to this disturbing question?

	Panelists: M: [[Nora Jemison]] (moderator), [[K Tempest Bradford]], [[Candra K. Gill]], [[Nnedi Nkemdili Okorafor-Mbachu]], [[Nisi Shawl]]		Panelists: M: [[Nora Jemison]] (moderator), [[K Tempest Bradford]], [[Candra K. Gill]], [[Nnedi Nkemdili Okorafor-Mbachu]], [[Nisi Shawl]]
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	[[Category:WisCon 31 panels]]		[[Category:WisCon 31 panels]]
			[[Category:Race and gender]]

198.6.50.155: /* Reports, notes, discussions */

2007-06-06T19:58:36Z

Reports, notes, discussions

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	* Transcript from Veejane: http://veejane.livejournal.com/319585.html		* Transcript from Veejane: http://veejane.livejournal.com/319585.html
	* [http://tacithydra.livejournal.com/28990.html tacithydra report]		* [http://tacithydra.livejournal.com/28990.html tacithydra report]
			* [http://coffeeandink.livejournal.com/704321.html coffeeandink's report]

	==transcript==		==transcript==

Debbie at 23:38, 4 June 2007

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	Candra: I'm Candra Gill, also the next Octavia, but ... not. I'm an amateur fiction writer, blogger, zinester, bookmaker, grew up an SF fan. Influenced by, do not plan to be, Octavia.		Candra: I'm Candra Gill, also the next Octavia, but ... not. I'm an amateur fiction writer, blogger, zinester, bookmaker, grew up an SF fan. Influenced by, do not plan to be, Octavia.

	Nora Jemison. Published short stories, "[[Dragon Cloud Skies]]" won the ... [[Parallax Award\|Parallax]]? Er, was it the [[Kindred Award\|Kindred]]... I can never remember which is which... Grew up reading [[Anne ~~McCaffery~~]], [[Le Guin]], etc.		Nora Jemison. Published short stories, "[[Dragon Cloud Skies]]" won the ... [[Parallax Award\|Parallax]]? Er, was it the [[Kindred Award\|Kindred]]... I can never remember which is which... Grew up reading [[Anne McCaffrey]], [[Ursula K. Le Guin\|Le Guin]], etc.

	Aud (Liz): It was the Parallax.		Aud (Liz): It was the Parallax.
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	Nisi - I was friends with her. So, no. And it made me feel horrible to get asked to do the things that she would have been asked to do. The public library needs a black female sf writer? Whoop, here's one! But yeah this question has been asked to me by other black women. By my sister, who is not a reader, let alone into SF. And it was like [[Martin Luther King]] and the black community waiting for the next MLK and then gradually realizing whoops that was him, there's not another one.		Nisi - I was friends with her. So, no. And it made me feel horrible to get asked to do the things that she would have been asked to do. The public library needs a black female sf writer? Whoop, here's one! But yeah this question has been asked to me by other black women. By my sister, who is not a reader, let alone into SF. And it was like [[Martin Luther King]] and the black community waiting for the next MLK and then gradually realizing whoops that was him, there's not another one.

	Nnedi - I do keep hearing that it's going to be [[Nalo]]. OH GEE such SIMILAR... big audience laughter		Nnedi - I do keep hearing that it's going to be [[Nalo Hopkinson\|Nalo]]. OH GEE such SIMILAR... big audience laughter

	Tempest: When she died I knew that question was going to be asked. So I felt like we need to step this up a little bit so there can be 10 of us or 12 of us or a million. We can't let that "Oh she's the black woman of SF " thing continue.		Tempest: When she died I knew that question was going to be asked. So I felt like we need to step this up a little bit so there can be 10 of us or 12 of us or a million. We can't let that "Oh she's the black woman of SF " thing continue.

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	Nisi - Join the Carl Brandon Society. You don't have to be a person of color to join it. I spent 15 min telling someone that last night. Octavia always credited her time at [[Clarion]] with getting her her start.		Nisi - Join the Carl Brandon Society. You don't have to be a person of color to join it. I spent 15 min telling someone that last night. Octavia always credited her time at [[Clarion]] with getting her her start.

	aud ([[Kate ~~Schaeffer~~]]): And she taught 3 years and then 5 years at [[Clarion West]] and she always gave a third of her fee back. She was always giving back.		aud ([[Kate Schaefer]]): And she taught 3 years and then 5 years at [[Clarion West]] and she always gave a third of her fee back. She was always giving back.

	Nisi: Don't cry, Kate. Workshops are good... Don't listen to people who tell you "You can't write fantasy"... write it! [[Parallax Award]]. Best speculative fiction by person of color in a year. [[Kindred Award]] by anyone. $1000 prize to the authors, attention by critics, short list and long list of recommended reading. Gets discussion going, brings notice.		Nisi: Don't cry, Kate. Workshops are good... Don't listen to people who tell you "You can't write fantasy"... write it! [[Parallax Award]]. Best speculative fiction by person of color in a year. [[Kindred Award]] by anyone. $1000 prize to the authors, attention by critics, short list and long list of recommended reading. Gets discussion going, brings notice.

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2007-06-01T18:59:54Z

transcript: addedadding

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Lquilter: tacithydra

2007-06-01T02:18:07Z

tacithydra

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	==Reports, notes, discussions==		==Reports, notes, discussions==
	* Transcript from Veejane: http://veejane.livejournal.com/319585.html		* Transcript from Veejane: http://veejane.livejournal.com/319585.html
			* [http://tacithydra.livejournal.com/28990.html tacithydra report]

	==transcript==		==transcript==