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Lquilter at 12:50, 23 May 2009

2009-05-23T12:50:45Z

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	<blockquote>My problem with "OK, let's look at it in a world without the genocide and the slavery" isn't, in fact, the genocide and slavery-free aspect; it's the fact that in order to achieve that, the victims of the genocide and slavery have been erased.</blockquote>		<blockquote>My problem with "OK, let's look at it in a world without the genocide and the slavery" isn't, in fact, the genocide and slavery-free aspect; it's the fact that in order to achieve that, the victims of the genocide and slavery have been erased.</blockquote>

	There has been [http://naraht.dreamwidth.org/tag/race:13th+child considerable further commentary]<ref>Also archived at [http://linkspam.dreamwidth.org/ Anti-Oppression Linkspam Community], Dreamwidth]</ref> particularly in response to defenses of Wrede's work raised by [[Lois McMaster Bujold]], which did not address the critiques made and followed many of the patterns observed in [[RaceFail 09]].		There has been [http://naraht.dreamwidth.org/tag/race:13th+child considerable further commentary]<ref>Also archived at [http://linkspam.dreamwidth.org/ Anti-Oppression Linkspam Community], Dreamwidth.</ref> particularly in response to defenses of Wrede's work raised by [[Lois McMaster Bujold]], which did not address the critiques made and followed many of the patterns observed in [[RaceFail 09]].

Lquilter: seems better as a note

2009-05-23T12:50:25Z

seems better as a note

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	<blockquote>My problem with "OK, let's look at it in a world without the genocide and the slavery" isn't, in fact, the genocide and slavery-free aspect; it's the fact that in order to achieve that, the victims of the genocide and slavery have been erased.</blockquote>		<blockquote>My problem with "OK, let's look at it in a world without the genocide and the slavery" isn't, in fact, the genocide and slavery-free aspect; it's the fact that in order to achieve that, the victims of the genocide and slavery have been erased.</blockquote>

	There has been [http://naraht.dreamwidth.org/tag/race:13th+child considerable further commentary]~~, also~~ archived [http://linkspam.dreamwidth.org/ ~~here~~], particularly in response to defenses of Wrede's work raised by [[Lois McMaster Bujold]], which did not address the critiques made and followed many of the patterns observed in [[RaceFail 09]].		There has been [http://naraht.dreamwidth.org/tag/race:13th+child considerable further commentary]<ref>Also archived at [http://linkspam.dreamwidth.org/ Anti-Oppression Linkspam Community], Dreamwidth]</ref> particularly in response to defenses of Wrede's work raised by [[Lois McMaster Bujold]], which did not address the critiques made and followed many of the patterns observed in [[RaceFail 09]].



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68.40.202.207 at 04:02, 23 May 2009

2009-05-23T04:02:29Z

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	<blockquote>My problem with "OK, let's look at it in a world without the genocide and the slavery" isn't, in fact, the genocide and slavery-free aspect; it's the fact that in order to achieve that, the victims of the genocide and slavery have been erased.</blockquote>		<blockquote>My problem with "OK, let's look at it in a world without the genocide and the slavery" isn't, in fact, the genocide and slavery-free aspect; it's the fact that in order to achieve that, the victims of the genocide and slavery have been erased.</blockquote>

	There has been [http://naraht.dreamwidth.org/tag/race:13th+child considerable further commentary], particularly in response to defenses of Wrede's work raised by [[Lois McMaster Bujold]], which did not address the critiques made and followed many of the patterns observed in [[RaceFail 09]].		There has been [http://naraht.dreamwidth.org/tag/race:13th+child considerable further commentary], also archived [http://linkspam.dreamwidth.org/ here], particularly in response to defenses of Wrede's work raised by [[Lois McMaster Bujold]], which did not address the critiques made and followed many of the patterns observed in [[RaceFail 09]].

Lquilter: format

2009-05-20T20:04:41Z

format

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	Author [[Jo Walton]] posted a [http://www.tor.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=blog&id=26059\|positive review] of [[Patricia C. Wrede]]'s young adult novel, ~~<i>~~The Thirteenth Child~~</i>~~, describing the premise as:		Author [[Jo Walton]] posted a [http://www.tor.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=blog&id=26059\|positive review] of [[Patricia C. Wrede]]'s young adult novel, ''[[The Thirteenth Child]]'', describing the premise as:

	<blockquote> The elevator pitch for Thirteenth Child would be “Little House on the Prairie with mammoths and magic.”		<blockquote> The elevator pitch for Thirteenth Child would be “Little House on the Prairie with mammoths and magic.”

Lquilter: cat fix, also moved to bottom of page per convention

2009-05-20T20:01:33Z

cat fix, also moved to bottom of page per convention

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	~~[[Category: Race]] [[Category: Fandom]] [[Category: Online discussions]] [[Category: 2009 events]]~~

	Author [[Jo Walton]] posted a [http://www.tor.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=blog&id=26059\|positive review] of [[Patricia C. Wrede]]'s young adult novel, <i>The Thirteenth Child</i>, describing the premise as:		Author [[Jo Walton]] posted a [http://www.tor.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=blog&id=26059\|positive review] of [[Patricia C. Wrede]]'s young adult novel, <i>The Thirteenth Child</i>, describing the premise as:

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	There has been [http://naraht.dreamwidth.org/tag/race:13th+child considerable further commentary], particularly in response to defenses of Wrede's work raised by [[Lois McMaster Bujold]], which did not address the critiques made and followed many of the patterns observed in [[RaceFail 09]].		There has been [http://naraht.dreamwidth.org/tag/race:13th+child considerable further commentary], particularly in response to defenses of Wrede's work raised by [[Lois McMaster Bujold]], which did not address the critiques made and followed many of the patterns observed in [[RaceFail 09]].





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Coffeeandink: fixed more broken links

2009-05-14T17:33:16Z

fixed more broken links

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	This is an alternate version of our world which is full of magic, and where America (“Columbia”) was discovered empty of people but full of dangerous animals, many of them magical.</blockquote>		This is an alternate version of our world which is full of magic, and where America (“Columbia”) was discovered empty of people but full of dangerous animals, many of them magical.</blockquote>

	Several commenters expressed discomfort with the premise as reifying the racist erasure of American Indians, First Nations, and Polynesian Islanders from colonialist histories of the Americas. [http://www.tor.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=blog&id=26059#26260\| Kate Nepveu commented],		Several commenters expressed discomfort with the premise as reifying the racist erasure of American Indians, First Nations, and Polynesian Islanders from colonialist histories of the Americas. [http://www.tor.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=blog&id=26059#26260 Kate Nepveu commented],

	<blockquote>And now my immediate reaction was "ack, it's a frontier story where American Indians have been literally and completely erased?!"</blockquote>		<blockquote>And now my immediate reaction was "ack, it's a frontier story where American Indians have been literally and completely erased?!"</blockquote>

	[http://www.tor.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=blog&id=26059#26467\| Glass_icarus added]:		[http://www.tor.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=blog&id=26059#26467 Glass_icarus added]:

	<blockquote>My problem with "OK, let's look at it in a world without the genocide and the slavery" isn't, in fact, the genocide and slavery-free aspect; it's the fact that in order to achieve that, the victims of the genocide and slavery have been erased.</blockquote>		<blockquote>My problem with "OK, let's look at it in a world without the genocide and the slavery" isn't, in fact, the genocide and slavery-free aspect; it's the fact that in order to achieve that, the victims of the genocide and slavery have been erased.</blockquote>

	There has been [http://naraht.dreamwidth.org/tag/race:13th+child \| considerable further commentary], particularly in response to defenses of Wrede's work raised by [[Lois McMaster Bujold]], which did not address the critiques made and followed many of the patterns observed in [[RaceFail 09]].		There has been [http://naraht.dreamwidth.org/tag/race:13th+child considerable further commentary], particularly in response to defenses of Wrede's work raised by [[Lois McMaster Bujold]], which did not address the critiques made and followed many of the patterns observed in [[RaceFail 09]].

Coffeeandink: fixed broken tag

2009-05-14T17:31:40Z

fixed broken tag

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	<blockquote>My problem with "OK, let's look at it in a world without the genocide and the slavery" isn't, in fact, the genocide and slavery-free aspect; it's the fact that in order to achieve that, the victims of the genocide and slavery have been erased.</blockquote>		<blockquote>My problem with "OK, let's look at it in a world without the genocide and the slavery" isn't, in fact, the genocide and slavery-free aspect; it's the fact that in order to achieve that, the victims of the genocide and slavery have been erased.</blockquote>

	There has been [http://naraht.dreamwidth.org/tag/race:13th+child\| considerable further commentary], particularly in response to defenses of Wrede's work raised by [[Lois McMaster Bujold]], which did not address the critiques made and followed many of the patterns observed in [[RaceFail 09]].		There has been [http://naraht.dreamwidth.org/tag/race:13th+child \| considerable further commentary], particularly in response to defenses of Wrede's work raised by [[Lois McMaster Bujold]], which did not address the critiques made and followed many of the patterns observed in [[RaceFail 09]].

Coffeeandink: grammatical fix

2009-05-14T17:30:48Z

grammatical fix

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	<blockquote>My problem with "OK, let's look at it in a world without the genocide and the slavery" isn't, in fact, the genocide and slavery-free aspect; it's the fact that in order to achieve that, the victims of the genocide and slavery have been erased.</blockquote>		<blockquote>My problem with "OK, let's look at it in a world without the genocide and the slavery" isn't, in fact, the genocide and slavery-free aspect; it's the fact that in order to achieve that, the victims of the genocide and slavery have been erased.</blockquote>

	There has been considerable further commentary, particularly in response to defenses of Wrede's work raised by [[Lois McMaster Bujold]], which did not address the critiques made and followed many of the patterns observed in [[RaceFail 09]~~], which is being tracked by [http://naraht.dreamwidth.org/tag/race:13th+child\| naraht~~].		There has been [http://naraht.dreamwidth.org/tag/race:13th+child\| considerable further commentary], particularly in response to defenses of Wrede's work raised by [[Lois McMaster Bujold]], which did not address the critiques made and followed many of the patterns observed in [[RaceFail 09]].

Coffeeandink: corrected sentence which didn't make sense, linked bujold's responses to racefail09

2009-05-14T17:28:50Z

corrected sentence which didn't make sense, linked bujold's responses to racefail09

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	<blockquote>My problem with "OK, let's look at it in a world without the genocide and the slavery" isn't, in fact, the genocide and slavery-free aspect; it's the fact that in order to achieve that, the victims of the genocide and slavery have been erased.</blockquote>		<blockquote>My problem with "OK, let's look at it in a world without the genocide and the slavery" isn't, in fact, the genocide and slavery-free aspect; it's the fact that in order to achieve that, the victims of the genocide and slavery have been erased.</blockquote>

	There has been considerable further commentary, particularly in response to defenses of Wrede's work raised by [[Lois McMaster Bujold]], which did not address the critiques made and ~~implied that much~~ of which ~~has been~~ tracked by		There has been considerable further commentary, particularly in response to defenses of Wrede's work raised by [[Lois McMaster Bujold]], which did not address the critiques made and followed many of the patterns observed in [[RaceFail 09]], which is being tracked by [http://naraht.dreamwidth.org/tag/race:13th+child\| naraht].
	[http://naraht.dreamwidth.org/tag/race:13th+child\| naraht].

Coffeeandink: page created

2009-05-14T16:28:47Z

page created

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[[Category: Race]] [[Category: Fandom]] [[Category: Online discussions]] [[Category: 2009 events]]

Author [[Jo Walton]] posted a [http://www.tor.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=blog&id=26059|positive review] of [[Patricia C. Wrede]]'s young adult novel, <i>The Thirteenth Child</i>, describing the premise as:

<blockquote> The elevator pitch for Thirteenth Child would be “Little House on the Prairie with mammoths and magic.”

This is an alternate version of our world which is full of magic, and where America (“Columbia”) was discovered empty of people but full of dangerous animals, many of them magical.</blockquote>

Several commenters expressed discomfort with the premise as reifying the racist erasure of American Indians, First Nations, and Polynesian Islanders from colonialist histories of the Americas. [http://www.tor.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=blog&id=26059#26260| Kate Nepveu commented],

<blockquote>And now my immediate reaction was "ack, it's a frontier story where American Indians have been literally and completely erased?!"</blockquote>

[http://www.tor.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=blog&id=26059#26467| Glass_icarus added]:

<blockquote>My problem with "OK, let's look at it in a world without the genocide and the slavery" isn't, in fact, the genocide and slavery-free aspect; it's the fact that in order to achieve that, the victims of the genocide and slavery have been erased.</blockquote>

There has been considerable further commentary, particularly in response to defenses of Wrede's work raised by [[Lois McMaster Bujold]], which did not address the critiques made and implied that much of which has been tracked by
[http://naraht.dreamwidth.org/tag/race:13th+child| naraht].