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Vito excalibur: /* Responses in Other Blogs */

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			* [[kynn]]: [http://kynn.com/next/2009/01/27/lots-of-white-male-authors-are-huge-wankers/ Lots of white male authors are huge wankers]
	* [[Nick Mamatas]]: [http://nihilistic-kid.livejournal.com/1256858.html MY GOD, WHAT HAVE THE NEGROES DONE!]		* [[Nick Mamatas]]: [http://nihilistic-kid.livejournal.com/1256858.html MY GOD, WHAT HAVE THE NEGROES DONE!]
	* [[coffeeandink]]: [http://coffeeandink.livejournal.com/888881.html How Not to Engage in Discussions of Cultural Appropriation]		* [[coffeeandink]]: [http://coffeeandink.livejournal.com/888881.html How Not to Engage in Discussions of Cultural Appropriation]
	* [[K. Tempest Bradford]]: [http://ktempest.livejournal.com/365999.html Talking About (And To) David Levine]		* [[K. Tempest Bradford]]: [http://ktempest.livejournal.com/365999.html Talking About (And To) David Levine]
			* [[karnythia]]: [http://karnythia.livejournal.com/1191116.html Big boy pants...get you some...]
			* [[kynn]]: [http://kynn.com/next/2009/01/28/something-defensive-white-authors-are-missing/ Something defensive white authors are missing]
			* [http://abydosangel.livejournal.com abydosangel]: [http://abydosangel.livejournal.com/468124.html Dear Pained White Author]
			* [[badgerbag]]: [http://badgerbag.livejournal.com/220874.html People taking the trouble to explain]
	* [http://tacky-tramp.livejournal.com/ tacky_tramp]: [http://tacky-tramp.livejournal.com/159291.html Oh David Levine No]		* [http://tacky-tramp.livejournal.com/ tacky_tramp]: [http://tacky-tramp.livejournal.com/159291.html Oh David Levine No]
	* [http://vito_excalibur.livejournal.com/ vito_excalibur]: [http://vito-excalibur.livejournal.com/208031.html my last public post on the Late Great Unpleasantness]		* [http://vito_excalibur.livejournal.com/ vito_excalibur]: [http://vito-excalibur.livejournal.com/208031.html my last public post on the Late Great Unpleasantness]

Vito excalibur: /* Responses in Other Blogs */

2009-02-07T18:17:20Z

Responses in Other Blogs

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	* [[Nick Mamatas]]: [http://nihilistic-kid.livejournal.com/1256858.html MY GOD, WHAT HAVE THE NEGROES DONE!]		* [[Nick Mamatas]]: [http://nihilistic-kid.livejournal.com/1256858.html MY GOD, WHAT HAVE THE NEGROES DONE!]
			* [[coffeeandink]]: [http://coffeeandink.livejournal.com/888881.html How Not to Engage in Discussions of Cultural Appropriation]
	* [[K. Tempest Bradford]]: [http://ktempest.livejournal.com/365999.html Talking About (And To) David Levine]		* [[K. Tempest Bradford]]: [http://ktempest.livejournal.com/365999.html Talking About (And To) David Levine]
	* [http://tacky-tramp.livejournal.com/ tacky_tramp]: [http://tacky-tramp.livejournal.com/159291.html Oh David Levine No]		* [http://tacky-tramp.livejournal.com/ tacky_tramp]: [http://tacky-tramp.livejournal.com/159291.html Oh David Levine No]

Vito excalibur at 18:15, 7 February 2009

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			* [[Nick Mamatas]]: [http://nihilistic-kid.livejournal.com/1256858.html MY GOD, WHAT HAVE THE NEGROES DONE!]
			* [[K. Tempest Bradford]]: [http://ktempest.livejournal.com/365999.html Talking About (And To) David Levine]
			* [http://tacky-tramp.livejournal.com/ tacky_tramp]: [http://tacky-tramp.livejournal.com/159291.html Oh David Levine No]
			* [http://vito_excalibur.livejournal.com/ vito_excalibur]: [http://vito-excalibur.livejournal.com/208031.html my last public post on the Late Great Unpleasantness]


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Vito excalibur at 18:10, 7 February 2009

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	~~Author and zine Editor [[David Levine]] posted this to LiveJournal on January 26, 2009. The comments were disabled.~~

	==Original Post==		==Original Post==

	There has been a major Internet kerfuffle going on in the last couple of weeks over the question of cultural appropriation and racism in SF and Fantasy. Many friends of mine on both sides of the debate (and, yes, there are clearly two sides to this debate, despite the complexity of the underlying topic) have been badly hurt. I have been sitting on my hands because it appears that there is no way to enter the slapfight without getting slapped, but I am tired unto death of the ongoing vitriol and character assassination, so I am going to make one statement. Comments are disabled, and I will not respond to comments elsewhere about this post.		<blockquote>There has been a major Internet kerfuffle going on in the last couple of weeks over the question of cultural appropriation and racism in SF and Fantasy. Many friends of mine on both sides of the debate (and, yes, there are clearly two sides to this debate, despite the complexity of the underlying topic) have been badly hurt. I have been sitting on my hands because it appears that there is no way to enter the slapfight without getting slapped, but I am tired unto death of the ongoing vitriol and character assassination, so I am going to make one statement. Comments are disabled, and I will not respond to comments elsewhere about this post. '''([http://davidlevine.livejournal.com/154220.html Read more...])'''</blockquote>

	~~This statement is addressed to those on the "anti-racist" side of the debate who have vehemently accused certain white writers and editors of racism or cultural insensitivity.~~

	~~I have sometimes included characters of color, and of races and cultures other than my own, in my writing. I~~'ve been trying to do it more. I recognize that doing so is fraught with peril and I have done my best, through critique and research and asking questions, to get it right. I also recognize that sometimes I will get it wrong, and if I do so in a published work I will take my lumps and try to do better in the future.

	However. Your reactions to the written works and Internet posts of my friends who are also trying to do the same have made me question even the attempt. The height and breadth of the heap of spleen that I have seen dumped upon my friends is more than just "lumps" -- it'~~s something I wouldn~~'~~t wish on my worst enemy~~. ~~This slapfight, dogpile, shitstorm, whatever you want to call it, has been so severe that I am wondering if I should even try~~. I've seen those who try, in all good faith, have their heads torn off and thrown back at them, and when they react to this abuse as any normal person would, they are accused of being whiny and oversensitive.

	~~I am working on a story right now where one of the two protagonists is black (the other is an alien)~~. ~~Her blackness is an important part of her character and helps to determine why she does what she does within the story~~. ~~But lately I've been so worried about getting it wrong, and being vilified in public for it, that I'm considering abandoning the story~~. What if it gets published and then I see it torn apart in a panel at Wiscon? Will I get a little twinge of concern and angst every time I see one of my non-white writing friends at a convention, wondering whether she's angry at me because of that story? (Or this post?)

	~~I may or may not continue work on this story. Haven't decided yet. Maybe I~~'~~ll write something safer, something where all the characters are white, or aliens or cartoon characters or disembodied spirits, and I don~~'~~t have to deal with issues of race and culture. I~~'~~ll spend my writing time and energy on other issues instead.~~

	~~This statement is addressed to those on the "anti-racist" side of the debate who have vehemently accused certain white writers and editors of racism or cultural insensitivity:~~

	Is this ~~what you wanted?~~		Author and zine Editor [[David Levine]] posted [http://davidlevine.livejournal.com/154220.html this] to [[LiveJournal]] on January 26, 2009. The comments were disabled.

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Lquilter: cat

2009-02-06T23:50:29Z

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69.201.143.52: posted copy of original because I think there's a probability it my disappear one day -KTempest

2009-02-06T04:22:41Z

posted copy of original because I think there's a probability it my disappear one day -KTempest

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Author and zine Editor [[David Levine]] posted this to LiveJournal on January 26, 2009. The comments were disabled.

==Original Post==

There has been a major Internet kerfuffle going on in the last couple of weeks over the question of cultural appropriation and racism in SF and Fantasy. Many friends of mine on both sides of the debate (and, yes, there are clearly two sides to this debate, despite the complexity of the underlying topic) have been badly hurt. I have been sitting on my hands because it appears that there is no way to enter the slapfight without getting slapped, but I am tired unto death of the ongoing vitriol and character assassination, so I am going to make one statement. Comments are disabled, and I will not respond to comments elsewhere about this post.

This statement is addressed to those on the "anti-racist" side of the debate who have vehemently accused certain white writers and editors of racism or cultural insensitivity.

I have sometimes included characters of color, and of races and cultures other than my own, in my writing. I've been trying to do it more. I recognize that doing so is fraught with peril and I have done my best, through critique and research and asking questions, to get it right. I also recognize that sometimes I will get it wrong, and if I do so in a published work I will take my lumps and try to do better in the future.

However. Your reactions to the written works and Internet posts of my friends who are also trying to do the same have made me question even the attempt. The height and breadth of the heap of spleen that I have seen dumped upon my friends is more than just "lumps" -- it's something I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. This slapfight, dogpile, shitstorm, whatever you want to call it, has been so severe that I am wondering if I should even try. I've seen those who try, in all good faith, have their heads torn off and thrown back at them, and when they react to this abuse as any normal person would, they are accused of being whiny and oversensitive.

I am working on a story right now where one of the two protagonists is black (the other is an alien). Her blackness is an important part of her character and helps to determine why she does what she does within the story. But lately I've been so worried about getting it wrong, and being vilified in public for it, that I'm considering abandoning the story. What if it gets published and then I see it torn apart in a panel at Wiscon? Will I get a little twinge of concern and angst every time I see one of my non-white writing friends at a convention, wondering whether she's angry at me because of that story? (Or this post?)

I may or may not continue work on this story. Haven't decided yet. Maybe I'll write something safer, something where all the characters are white, or aliens or cartoon characters or disembodied spirits, and I don't have to deal with issues of race and culture. I'll spend my writing time and energy on other issues instead.

This statement is addressed to those on the "anti-racist" side of the debate who have vehemently accused certain white writers and editors of racism or cultural insensitivity:

Is this what you wanted?

==Responses in Other Blogs==

[[Category:Internet drama]] || [[Category:Online discussions]] || [[Category:RaceFail 09]]