Robert A. Heinlein - Revision history

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	'''Robert A. Heinlein''' was a science fiction writer, well-known for his cult classic ''[[Stranger in a Strange Land]]'' (whence the term "grok"), his revolutionary SF novel ''[[The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress]]'', and his juvenile SF novels of the 1940s and 1950s.		'''Robert A. Heinlein''' was a science fiction writer, well-known for his cult classic ''[[Stranger in a Strange Land]]'' (whence the term "grok"), his revolutionary SF novel ''[[The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress]]'', and his juvenile SF novels of the 1940s and 1950s. He is noted for writing female characters who were intelligent, competent, feisty, and -- their most notable characteristic in his adult fiction -- sexually available. He is also revered as a "forefather" by certain [[Libertarian science fiction]] writers such as [[L. Neil Smith]], [[Spider Robinson]], [[Robert Anton Wilson]].

	~~Notable for writing female characters without sexual inhibitions.~~

	~~==Sexism in Heinlein==~~		; Notes

	People frequently cite Heinlein as a nonsexist or even feminist writer, and just as frequently cite him as sexist. The principle argument that he was nonsexist or feminist is that he often wrote about intelligent female characters, who were sexually liberated. In response, critics have pointed out:		People frequently cite Heinlein as a nonsexist or even feminist writer, and just as frequently cite him as sexist. The principle argument that he was nonsexist or feminist is that he often wrote about intelligent female characters, who were sexually liberated. In response, critics have pointed out:

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			'''Robert A. Heinlein''' was a science fiction writer, well-known for his cult classic ''[[Stranger in a Strange Land]]'' (whence the term "grok"), his revolutionary SF novel ''[[The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress]]'', and his juvenile SF novels of the 1940s and 1950s.

	Notable for writing female characters without sexual inhibitions.		Notable for writing female characters without sexual inhibitions.

	~~[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_A._Heinlein_bibliography Bibliography at Wikipeda]~~

	==Sexism in Heinlein==		==Sexism in Heinlein==
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	* Mitch Wagner, [http://www.tor.com/blogs/2010/08/heinlein-forward-looking-diversity-advocate-or-sexist-bigot-yes "Heinlein: Forward-looking diversity advocate or sexist bigot? Yes"], Tor.com, 2010/08/12		* Mitch Wagner, [http://www.tor.com/blogs/2010/08/heinlein-forward-looking-diversity-advocate-or-sexist-bigot-yes "Heinlein: Forward-looking diversity advocate or sexist bigot? Yes"], Tor.com, 2010/08/12
	* [[Sarah A. Hoyt]], [http://www.tor.com/blogs/2010/08/the-customs-of-his-tribe "The Customs of His Tribe"], Tor.com, 2010/08/16		* [[Sarah A. Hoyt]], [http://www.tor.com/blogs/2010/08/the-customs-of-his-tribe "The Customs of His Tribe"], Tor.com, 2010/08/16


			* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_A._Heinlein Wikipeda]

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Notable Heinlein works

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	* ''[[The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress]]'' (1966 novel; one of the most famous SF novels about revolution)		* ''[[The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress]]'' (1966 novel; one of the most famous SF novels about revolution)
	* ''[[Time Enough for Love]]'' (1973 novel) (the story of [[Lazarus Long]])		* ''[[Time Enough for Love]]'' (1973 novel) (the story of [[Lazarus Long]])
	* ''[[To Sail Beyond the Sunset]]'' (1987 novel; the memoir of [[Maureen Johnson Smith Long]], mother and wife of [[Lazarus Long]]) -- Time Enough for Love and To Sail Beyond the Sunset tell us more about Heinlein's thinking about sex than actually advancing thought about sex.		* ''[[To Sail Beyond the Sunset]]'' (1987 novel; the memoir of [[Maureen Johnson Smith Long]], mother and wife of [[Lazarus Long]]) -- ''Time Enough for Love'' and ''To Sail Beyond the Sunset'' tell us more about Heinlein's thinking about sex than actually advancing thought about sex.

	==Further reading==		==Further reading==

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	; other significant works		; other significant works
	* ''[[Stranger in a Strange Land]]'' (1961 novel; cult classic; "grok")		* ''[[Stranger in a Strange Land]]'' (1961 novel; cult classic; "grok")
	* ''[[The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress]]'' (1966 novel; most famous ~~revolutionary novel~~)		* ''[[The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress]]'' (1966 novel; one of the most famous SF novels about revolution)
	* ''[[Time Enough for Love]]'' (1973 novel) (the story of [[Lazarus Long]])		* ''[[Time Enough for Love]]'' (1973 novel) (the story of [[Lazarus Long]])
	* ''[[To Sail Beyond the Sunset]]'' (1987 novel; the memoir of [[Maureen Johnson Smith Long]], mother and wife of [[Lazarus Long]]) -- Time Enough for Love and To Sail Beyond the Sunset tell us more about Heinlein's thinking about sex than actually advancing thought about sex.		* ''[[To Sail Beyond the Sunset]]'' (1987 novel; the memoir of [[Maureen Johnson Smith Long]], mother and wife of [[Lazarus Long]]) -- Time Enough for Love and To Sail Beyond the Sunset tell us more about Heinlein's thinking about sex than actually advancing thought about sex.

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	* ''[[Podkayne of Mars]]'' (juvenile with a female protagonist)		* ''[[Podkayne of Mars]]'' (juvenile with a female protagonist)
	* ''[[Friday]]'' (Heinlein's kick-ass female protagonist novel)		* ''[[Friday]]'' (Heinlein's kick-ass female protagonist novel)
	* ''[[-- All You Zombies -- ]]" (1955 short story about an [[intersex]]ed time traveler who is both "his" own father and mother)		* "[[-- All You Zombies -- ]]" (1955 short story about an [[intersex]]ed time traveler who is both "his" own father and mother)
	* ''[[I Will Fear No Evil]]'' (1970 novel about a man, Johann Sebastian Bach Smith, who transplants his body into that of his secretary, Eunice Branca; s/he are rechristened [[Joan Eunice Smith]].)		* ''[[I Will Fear No Evil]]'' (1970 novel about a man, Johann Sebastian Bach Smith, who transplants his body into that of his secretary, Eunice Branca; s/he are rechristened [[Joan Eunice Smith]].)

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	* ''[[The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress]]'' (1966 novel; most famous revolutionary novel)		* ''[[The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress]]'' (1966 novel; most famous revolutionary novel)
	* ''[[Time Enough for Love]]'' (1973 novel) (the story of [[Lazarus Long]])		* ''[[Time Enough for Love]]'' (1973 novel) (the story of [[Lazarus Long]])
	* ''[[To Sail Beyond the Sunset]]'' (1987 novel; the memoir of [[Maureen Johnson Smith Long]], mother and wife of [[Lazarus Long]]) -- Time Enough for Love and To Sail Beyond the Sunset tell us more about Heinlein's thinking about sex than actually advancing thought about sex.		* ''[[To Sail Beyond the Sunset]]'' (1987 novel; the memoir of [[Maureen Johnson Smith Long]], mother and wife of [[Lazarus Long]]) -- Time Enough for Love and To Sail Beyond the Sunset tell us more about Heinlein's thinking about sex than actually advancing thought about sex.


	==Further reading==		==Further reading==

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	People frequently cite Heinlein as a nonsexist or even feminist writer, and just as frequently cite him as sexist. The principle argument that he was nonsexist or feminist is that he often wrote about intelligent female characters, who were sexually liberated. In response, critics have pointed out:		People frequently cite Heinlein as a nonsexist or even feminist writer, and just as frequently cite him as sexist. The principle argument that he was nonsexist or feminist is that he often wrote about intelligent female characters, who were sexually liberated. In response, critics have pointed out:

	In general "sexual liberated women" = "sexually available to everyone"		In general "sexual liberated women" = "sexually available to everyone" . Examples include:

	~~There is this~~ scene in [[The Moon is a Harsh Mistress]] where the men are training with guns for the revolution, and then the narrator starts to talk about what the women are doing to help, and for just a moment there the reader gets excited about what the women are doing and them getting a meaningful part. Then he tells us that the women get to help "keep up the morale" by bouncing their breasts in low-g. So the only way women can help the revolution is by being sex objects.		* The scene in ''[[The Moon is a Harsh Mistress]]'' where the men are training with guns for the revolution, and then the narrator starts to talk about what the women are doing to help, and for just a moment there the reader gets excited about what the women are doing and them getting a meaningful part. Then he tells us that the women get to help "keep up the morale" by bouncing their breasts in low-g. So the only way women can help the revolution is by being sex objects.

	The treatment of the older sister in [[The Rolling Stones]]: She's never as good as the boys at anything, and is a bit of background character. The family seems quite concerned with her being married off, with no corresponding concern for whether or not the boys will get married.		* The treatment of the older sister in ''[[The Rolling Stones]]'': She's never as good as the boys at anything, and is a bit of background character. The family seems quite concerned with her being married off, with no corresponding concern for whether or not the boys will get married.

	[[Podkayne]] in ''[[Podkayne of Mars]]'' is the prototypical spunky girl protagonist — who gives it all up in the end to be a wife.		* [[Podkayne]] in ''[[Podkayne of Mars]]'' is the prototypical spunky girl protagonist — who gives it all up in the end to be a wife.

	[[Friday]] in ''[[Friday]]'' is an intelligent, beautiful, able young woman, who nevertheless appears governed in significant part by her biological capacity for childbearing.		* [[Friday]] in ''[[Friday]]'' is an intelligent, beautiful, able young woman, who nevertheless appears governed in significant part by her biological capacity for childbearing.

	==Notable Heinlein works==		==Notable Heinlein works==

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	[[Friday]] in ''[[Friday]]'' is an intelligent, beautiful, able young woman, who nevertheless appears governed in significant part by her biological capacity for childbearing.		[[Friday]] in ''[[Friday]]'' is an intelligent, beautiful, able young woman, who nevertheless appears governed in significant part by her biological capacity for childbearing.

			==Notable Heinlein works==

			; gender commentary
			* ''[[Podkayne of Mars]]'' (juvenile with a female protagonist)
			* ''[[Friday]]'' (Heinlein's kick-ass female protagonist novel)
			* ''[[-- All You Zombies -- ]]" (1955 short story about an [[intersex]]ed time traveler who is both "his" own father and mother)
			* ''[[I Will Fear No Evil]]'' (1970 novel about a man, Johann Sebastian Bach Smith, who transplants his body into that of his secretary, Eunice Branca; s/he are rechristened [[Joan Eunice Smith]].)

			; other significant works
			* ''[[Stranger in a Strange Land]]'' (1961 novel; cult classic; "grok")
			* ''[[The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress]]'' (1966 novel; most famous revolutionary novel)
			* ''[[Time Enough for Love]]'' (1973 novel) (the story of [[Lazarus Long]])
			* ''[[To Sail Beyond the Sunset]]'' (1987 novel; the memoir of [[Maureen Johnson Smith Long]], mother and wife of [[Lazarus Long]]) -- Time Enough for Love and To Sail Beyond the Sunset tell us more about Heinlein's thinking about sex than actually advancing thought about sex.


	==Further reading==		==Further reading==
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	==Further reading==		==Further reading==
	*[http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2010/08/16/time-enough-for-heinlein-or-not/ Time Enough For Heinlein (Or Not)]		* Mandolin, [http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2010/08/16/time-enough-for-heinlein-or-not/ Time Enough For Heinlein (Or Not)], Alas! (a blog) 2010/08/16
	*[http://rachelmanija.dreamwidth.org/753628.html "It's due to bait-and-switch. Because his women are more badass/competent/etc, the female or sympathetic male reader thinks, 'Hey! Badass female soldier! Awesome!' Then, two pages later, the badass female soldier says, 'Oh, I have no interest in the military at all! I'm only doing this because men outnumber women in outer space, so out there I can get a man and have lots of babies! I don't care of he's a total jerk and hideous, all that matters is that he's male. Oh to be pregnant!'"]		* Rachel Manija, [http://rachelmanija.dreamwidth.org/753628.html "Preliminary thoughts on Heinlein"], Amptoons 2010/08/20
			:: ["It's due to bait-and-switch. Because his women are more badass/competent/etc, the female or sympathetic male reader thinks, 'Hey! Badass female soldier! Awesome!' Then, two pages later, the badass female soldier says, 'Oh, I have no interest in the military at all! I'm only doing this because men outnumber women in outer space, so out there I can get a man and have lots of babies! I don't care of he's a total jerk and hideous, all that matters is that he's male. Oh to be pregnant!'"]
	* [[Jo Walton]], [http://www.tor.com/blogs/2010/08/a-brief-thought-about-why-heinlein-discussions-frequently-become-acrimonious "A brief thought about why Heinlein discussions frequently become acrimonious"], Tor.com, 2010/08/16		* [[Jo Walton]], [http://www.tor.com/blogs/2010/08/a-brief-thought-about-why-heinlein-discussions-frequently-become-acrimonious "A brief thought about why Heinlein discussions frequently become acrimonious"], Tor.com, 2010/08/16
	* [[Sarah A. Hoyt]], [http://www.tor.com/blogs/2010/08/what-do-heinlein-women-want "What Do Heinlein Women Want?"], Tor.com, 2010/08/17		* [[Sarah A. Hoyt]], [http://www.tor.com/blogs/2010/08/what-do-heinlein-women-want "What Do Heinlein Women Want?"], Tor.com, 2010/08/17
	* Mitch Wagner, [http://www.tor.com/blogs/2010/08/heinlein-forward-looking-diversity-advocate-or-sexist-bigot-yes "Heinlein: Forward-looking diversity advocate or sexist bigot? Yes"], Tor.com, 2010/08/12		* Mitch Wagner, [http://www.tor.com/blogs/2010/08/heinlein-forward-looking-diversity-advocate-or-sexist-bigot-yes "Heinlein: Forward-looking diversity advocate or sexist bigot? Yes"], Tor.com, 2010/08/12
			* [[Sarah A. Hoyt]], [http://www.tor.com/blogs/2010/08/the-customs-of-his-tribe "The Customs of His Tribe"], Tor.com, 2010/08/16

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	* Mitch Wagner, [http://www.tor.com/blogs/2010/08/heinlein-forward-looking-diversity-advocate-or-sexist-bigot-yes "Heinlein: Forward-looking diversity advocate or sexist bigot? Yes"], Tor.com, 2010/08/12		* Mitch Wagner, [http://www.tor.com/blogs/2010/08/heinlein-forward-looking-diversity-advocate-or-sexist-bigot-yes "Heinlein: Forward-looking diversity advocate or sexist bigot? Yes"], Tor.com, 2010/08/12
	* [[Sarah A. Hoyt]], [http://www.tor.com/blogs/2010/08/the-customs-of-his-tribe "The Customs of His Tribe"], Tor.com, 2010/08/16		* [[Sarah A. Hoyt]], [http://www.tor.com/blogs/2010/08/the-customs-of-his-tribe "The Customs of His Tribe"], Tor.com, 2010/08/16
			*[[Jo Walton]], [http://www.tor.com/blogs/2011/05/pass-the-slide-rule-robert-heinleins-the-rolling-stones "Review of The Rolling Stones with focus on the treatment of women"] Tor.com 2011/05/27