Talk:Kathryn Cramer - Revision history

Liz Henry at 06:01, 6 March 2009

2009-03-06T06:01:16Z

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	:::ETA: [http://coffeeandink.livejournal.com/901816.html?mode=reply This is the first entry I meant to link to], rather than the URL under the "attacks" link above -- that was a copy-paste error. The second link (under "more info") is correct, but there were a lot of close together entries on the same subjet on coffeeandink's LJ and I think I mis-selected when copying. None of this changes the intention behind my initial statement. --[[User:Ide Cyan\|Ide Cyan]] 05:58, 6 March 2009 (UTC)		:::ETA: [http://coffeeandink.livejournal.com/901816.html?mode=reply This is the first entry I meant to link to], rather than the URL under the "attacks" link above -- that was a copy-paste error. The second link (under "more info") is correct, but there were a lot of close together entries on the same subjet on coffeeandink's LJ and I think I mis-selected when copying. None of this changes the intention behind my initial statement. --[[User:Ide Cyan\|Ide Cyan]] 05:58, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

			:::: Ide, thanks, I think that clarifies things. When I finally followed the link up there tonight, I didn't see how it could apply to what you were saying. But the other link is relevant. --[[User:Liz Henry\|Liz Henry]] 06:01, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

	:What damage are you speaking of? The party in question has libeled me on this point and I have filed a complaint with her ISP. Her claims of "attacks" are untrue. Are you perhaps propagating further [[Character assassination\|defamation of my character]]?		:What damage are you speaking of? The party in question has libeled me on this point and I have filed a complaint with her ISP. Her claims of "attacks" are untrue. Are you perhaps propagating further [[Character assassination\|defamation of my character]]?

Ide Cyan: correction -- I made a hyperlinking error

2009-03-06T05:58:25Z

correction -- I made a hyperlinking error

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	In light of Kathryn Cramer's [http://coffeeandink.livejournal.com/902704.html?mode=reply attacks] on [[coffeeandink]] I would recommend that her contributions (she is [[User:Pleasantville]]) be watched carefully to prevent or remediate further damage. ([http://coffeeandink.livejournal.com/903696.html More info] -- and the issue is ongoing.) --[[User:Ide Cyan\|Ide Cyan]] 08:17, 5 March 2009 (UTC)		In light of Kathryn Cramer's [http://coffeeandink.livejournal.com/902704.html?mode=reply attacks] on [[coffeeandink]] I would recommend that her contributions (she is [[User:Pleasantville]]) be watched carefully to prevent or remediate further damage. ([http://coffeeandink.livejournal.com/903696.html More info] -- and the issue is ongoing.) --[[User:Ide Cyan\|Ide Cyan]] 08:17, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

			:::ETA: [http://coffeeandink.livejournal.com/901816.html?mode=reply This is the first entry I meant to link to], rather than the URL under the "attacks" link above -- that was a copy-paste error. The second link (under "more info") is correct, but there were a lot of close together entries on the same subjet on coffeeandink's LJ and I think I mis-selected when copying. None of this changes the intention behind my initial statement. --[[User:Ide Cyan\|Ide Cyan]] 05:58, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

	:What damage are you speaking of? The party in question has libeled me on this point and I have filed a complaint with her ISP. Her claims of "attacks" are untrue. Are you perhaps propagating further [[Character assassination\|defamation of my character]]?		:What damage are you speaking of? The party in question has libeled me on this point and I have filed a complaint with her ISP. Her claims of "attacks" are untrue. Are you perhaps propagating further [[Character assassination\|defamation of my character]]?

Liz Henry: clarification request

2009-03-05T23:14:45Z

clarification request

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	Are you unconcerned about defamation? The links and the claim were defamatory. Please remove them. You are an admin. I did not threaten. Rather I ask for you to do something.--[[User:Pleasantville\|Pleasantville]] 19:09, 5 March 2009 (UTC)		Are you unconcerned about defamation? The links and the claim were defamatory. Please remove them. You are an admin. I did not threaten. Rather I ask for you to do something.--[[User:Pleasantville\|Pleasantville]] 19:09, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
	:: Hi Kathryn. It's a wiki. You can take stuff off your talk page if you like. Go for it. --[[User:Liz Henry\|Liz Henry]] 22:23, 5 March 2009 (UTC)		:: Hi Kathryn. It's a wiki. You can take stuff off your talk page if you like. Go for it. --[[User:Liz Henry\|Liz Henry]] 22:23, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
			:: A couple hours later. I have a second to breathe and engage. Can you clarify what is bothering you or that you want me to do here? Is it a question of people moderating language in words like "attack" or "damage"? --[[User:Liz Henry\|Liz Henry]] 23:14, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Liz Henry at 22:23, 5 March 2009

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	Are you unconcerned about defamation? The links and the claim were defamatory. Please remove them. You are an admin. I did not threaten. Rather I ask for you to do something.--[[User:Pleasantville\|Pleasantville]] 19:09, 5 March 2009 (UTC)		Are you unconcerned about defamation? The links and the claim were defamatory. Please remove them. You are an admin. I did not threaten. Rather I ask for you to do something.--[[User:Pleasantville\|Pleasantville]] 19:09, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
			:: Hi Kathryn. It's a wiki. You can take stuff off your talk page if you like. Go for it. --[[User:Liz Henry\|Liz Henry]] 22:23, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Pleasantville: I did not threaten. Rather I ask for you to do something.--Pleasantville 19:09, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

2009-03-05T19:10:45Z

I did not threaten. Rather I ask for you to do something.--Pleasantville 19:09, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

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	:: Hi Kathryn. Actually, wiki admins and sys ops are watching your contributions to the wiki. We keep an eye on recent changes in general, and we "watch" pages we think might be controversial. Ide Cyan as one of the wiki's more active users has, in my view, usefully pointed out possible difficulty. Are you threatening or preparing to sue people for libel or defamation? That is certainly interesting. If so, you may want to pause and talk to a lawyer about your course of action, before further participating in this wiki. We would like for you not to threaten people with legal actions on the wiki. Please cool it down. --[[User:Liz Henry\|Liz Henry]] 17:21, 5 March 2009 (UTC)		:: Hi Kathryn. Actually, wiki admins and sys ops are watching your contributions to the wiki. We keep an eye on recent changes in general, and we "watch" pages we think might be controversial. Ide Cyan as one of the wiki's more active users has, in my view, usefully pointed out possible difficulty. Are you threatening or preparing to sue people for libel or defamation? That is certainly interesting. If so, you may want to pause and talk to a lawyer about your course of action, before further participating in this wiki. We would like for you not to threaten people with legal actions on the wiki. Please cool it down. --[[User:Liz Henry\|Liz Henry]] 17:21, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

	Are you unconcerned about defamation? The links and the claim were defamatory. Please remove them. --[[User:Pleasantville\|Pleasantville]] 19:09, 5 March 2009 (UTC)		Are you unconcerned about defamation? The links and the claim were defamatory. Please remove them. You are an admin. I did not threaten. Rather I ask for you to do something.--[[User:Pleasantville\|Pleasantville]] 19:09, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Pleasantville: Are you unconcerned about defamation? The links and the claim were defamatory. Please remove them. --~~~~

2009-03-05T19:09:07Z

Are you unconcerned about defamation? The links and the claim were defamatory. Please remove them. --~~~~

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	:: Hi Kathryn. Actually, wiki admins and sys ops are watching your contributions to the wiki. We keep an eye on recent changes in general, and we "watch" pages we think might be controversial. Ide Cyan as one of the wiki's more active users has, in my view, usefully pointed out possible difficulty. Are you threatening or preparing to sue people for libel or defamation? That is certainly interesting. If so, you may want to pause and talk to a lawyer about your course of action, before further participating in this wiki. We would like for you not to threaten people with legal actions on the wiki. Please cool it down. --[[User:Liz Henry\|Liz Henry]] 17:21, 5 March 2009 (UTC)		:: Hi Kathryn. Actually, wiki admins and sys ops are watching your contributions to the wiki. We keep an eye on recent changes in general, and we "watch" pages we think might be controversial. Ide Cyan as one of the wiki's more active users has, in my view, usefully pointed out possible difficulty. Are you threatening or preparing to sue people for libel or defamation? That is certainly interesting. If so, you may want to pause and talk to a lawyer about your course of action, before further participating in this wiki. We would like for you not to threaten people with legal actions on the wiki. Please cool it down. --[[User:Liz Henry\|Liz Henry]] 17:21, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

			Are you unconcerned about defamation? The links and the claim were defamatory. Please remove them. --[[User:Pleasantville\|Pleasantville]] 19:09, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Liz Henry: edited to add request that no further legal threats be made on this wiki.

2009-03-05T17:43:47Z

edited to add request that no further legal threats be made on this wiki.

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	:[[User:Ide Cyan\|Ide Cyan]], I suggest you make links to particular edits in this Wiki if you wish to claim I have "damaged" this Wiki. Otherwise, please retract your statement and apologize, since such a claim is defamatory. --[[User:Pleasantville\|Pleasantville]] 15:04, 5 March 2009 (UTC)		:[[User:Ide Cyan\|Ide Cyan]], I suggest you make links to particular edits in this Wiki if you wish to claim I have "damaged" this Wiki. Otherwise, please retract your statement and apologize, since such a claim is defamatory. --[[User:Pleasantville\|Pleasantville]] 15:04, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

	:: Hi Kathryn. Actually, wiki admins and sys ops are watching your contributions to the wiki. We keep an eye on recent changes in general, and we "watch" pages we think might be controversial. Ide Cyan as one of the wiki's more active users has, in my view, usefully pointed out possible difficulty. Are you threatening or preparing to sue people for libel or defamation? That is certainly interesting. If so, you may want to pause and talk to a lawyer about your course of action, before further participating in this wiki. --[[User:Liz Henry\|Liz Henry]] 17:21, 5 March 2009 (UTC)		:: Hi Kathryn. Actually, wiki admins and sys ops are watching your contributions to the wiki. We keep an eye on recent changes in general, and we "watch" pages we think might be controversial. Ide Cyan as one of the wiki's more active users has, in my view, usefully pointed out possible difficulty. Are you threatening or preparing to sue people for libel or defamation? That is certainly interesting. If so, you may want to pause and talk to a lawyer about your course of action, before further participating in this wiki. We would like for you not to threaten people with legal actions on the wiki. Please cool it down. --[[User:Liz Henry\|Liz Henry]] 17:21, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Liz Henry: Asking Kathryn about her use of litigious terms

2009-03-05T17:21:08Z

Asking Kathryn about her use of litigious terms

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	:[[User:Ide Cyan\|Ide Cyan]], I suggest you make links to particular edits in this Wiki if you wish to claim I have "damaged" this Wiki. Otherwise, please retract your statement and apologize, since such a claim is defamatory. --[[User:Pleasantville\|Pleasantville]] 15:04, 5 March 2009 (UTC)		:[[User:Ide Cyan\|Ide Cyan]], I suggest you make links to particular edits in this Wiki if you wish to claim I have "damaged" this Wiki. Otherwise, please retract your statement and apologize, since such a claim is defamatory. --[[User:Pleasantville\|Pleasantville]] 15:04, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

			:: Hi Kathryn. Actually, wiki admins and sys ops are watching your contributions to the wiki. We keep an eye on recent changes in general, and we "watch" pages we think might be controversial. Ide Cyan as one of the wiki's more active users has, in my view, usefully pointed out possible difficulty. Are you threatening or preparing to sue people for libel or defamation? That is certainly interesting. If so, you may want to pause and talk to a lawyer about your course of action, before further participating in this wiki. --[[User:Liz Henry\|Liz Henry]] 17:21, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Pleasantville: sp

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	:What damage are you speaking of? The party in question has libeled me on this point and I have filed a complaint with her ISP. Her claims of "attacks" are untrue. Are you perhaps propagating further [[Character assassination\|defamation of my character]]?		:What damage are you speaking of? The party in question has libeled me on this point and I have filed a complaint with her ISP. Her claims of "attacks" are untrue. Are you perhaps propagating further [[Character assassination\|defamation of my character]]?

	:[[User:Ide Cyan\|Ide Cyan]], I suggest you make ~~likes~~ to particular edits in this Wiki if you wish to claim I have "damaged" this Wiki. Otherwise, please retract your statement and apologize, since such a claim is defamatory. --[[User:Pleasantville\|Pleasantville]] 15:04, 5 March 2009 (UTC)		:[[User:Ide Cyan\|Ide Cyan]], I suggest you make links to particular edits in this Wiki if you wish to claim I have "damaged" this Wiki. Otherwise, please retract your statement and apologize, since such a claim is defamatory. --[[User:Pleasantville\|Pleasantville]] 15:04, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Pleasantville: added link: defamation of my character

2009-03-05T15:18:28Z

added link: defamation of my character

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	In light of Kathryn Cramer's [http://coffeeandink.livejournal.com/902704.html?mode=reply attacks] on [[coffeeandink]] I would recommend that her contributions (she is [[User:Pleasantville]]) be watched carefully to prevent or remediate further damage. ([http://coffeeandink.livejournal.com/903696.html More info] -- and the issue is ongoing.) --[[User:Ide Cyan\|Ide Cyan]] 08:17, 5 March 2009 (UTC)		In light of Kathryn Cramer's [http://coffeeandink.livejournal.com/902704.html?mode=reply attacks] on [[coffeeandink]] I would recommend that her contributions (she is [[User:Pleasantville]]) be watched carefully to prevent or remediate further damage. ([http://coffeeandink.livejournal.com/903696.html More info] -- and the issue is ongoing.) --[[User:Ide Cyan\|Ide Cyan]] 08:17, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

	:What damage are you speaking of? The party in question has libeled me on this point and I have filed a complaint with her ISP. Her claims of "attacks" are untrue. Are you perhaps propagating further defamation of my character?		:What damage are you speaking of? The party in question has libeled me on this point and I have filed a complaint with her ISP. Her claims of "attacks" are untrue. Are you perhaps propagating further [[Character assassination\|defamation of my character]]?

	:[[User:Ide Cyan\|Ide Cyan]], I suggest you make likes to particular edits in this Wiki if you wish to claim I have "damaged" this Wiki. Otherwise, please retract your statement and apologize, since such a claim is defamatory. --[[User:Pleasantville\|Pleasantville]] 15:04, 5 March 2009 (UTC)		:[[User:Ide Cyan\|Ide Cyan]], I suggest you make likes to particular edits in this Wiki if you wish to claim I have "damaged" this Wiki. Otherwise, please retract your statement and apologize, since such a claim is defamatory. --[[User:Pleasantville\|Pleasantville]] 15:04, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

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	:::ETA: [http://coffeeandink.livejournal.com/901816.html?mode=reply This is the first entry I meant to link to], rather than the URL under the "attacks" link above -- that was a copy-paste error. The second link (under "more info") is correct, but there were a lot of close together entries on the same subjet on coffeeandink's LJ and I think I mis-selected when copying. None of this changes the intention behind my initial statement. --[[User:Ide Cyan\|Ide Cyan]] 05:58, 6 March 2009 (UTC)		:::ETA: [http://coffeeandink.livejournal.com/901816.html?mode=reply This is the first entry I meant to link to], rather than the URL under the "attacks" link above -- that was a copy-paste error. The second link (under "more info") is correct, but there were a lot of close together entries on the same subjet on coffeeandink's LJ and I think I mis-selected when copying. None of this changes the intention behind my initial statement. --[[User:Ide Cyan\|Ide Cyan]] 05:58, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

			:::: Ide, thanks, I think that clarifies things. When I finally followed the link up there tonight, I didn't see how it could apply to what you were saying. But the other link is relevant. --[[User:Liz Henry\|Liz Henry]] 06:01, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

	:What damage are you speaking of? The party in question has libeled me on this point and I have filed a complaint with her ISP. Her claims of "attacks" are untrue. Are you perhaps propagating further [[Character assassination\|defamation of my character]]?		:What damage are you speaking of? The party in question has libeled me on this point and I have filed a complaint with her ISP. Her claims of "attacks" are untrue. Are you perhaps propagating further [[Character assassination\|defamation of my character]]?

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	In light of Kathryn Cramer's [http://coffeeandink.livejournal.com/902704.html?mode=reply attacks] on [[coffeeandink]] I would recommend that her contributions (she is [[User:Pleasantville]]) be watched carefully to prevent or remediate further damage. ([http://coffeeandink.livejournal.com/903696.html More info] -- and the issue is ongoing.) --[[User:Ide Cyan\|Ide Cyan]] 08:17, 5 March 2009 (UTC)		In light of Kathryn Cramer's [http://coffeeandink.livejournal.com/902704.html?mode=reply attacks] on [[coffeeandink]] I would recommend that her contributions (she is [[User:Pleasantville]]) be watched carefully to prevent or remediate further damage. ([http://coffeeandink.livejournal.com/903696.html More info] -- and the issue is ongoing.) --[[User:Ide Cyan\|Ide Cyan]] 08:17, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

			:::ETA: [http://coffeeandink.livejournal.com/901816.html?mode=reply This is the first entry I meant to link to], rather than the URL under the "attacks" link above -- that was a copy-paste error. The second link (under "more info") is correct, but there were a lot of close together entries on the same subjet on coffeeandink's LJ and I think I mis-selected when copying. None of this changes the intention behind my initial statement. --[[User:Ide Cyan\|Ide Cyan]] 05:58, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

	:What damage are you speaking of? The party in question has libeled me on this point and I have filed a complaint with her ISP. Her claims of "attacks" are untrue. Are you perhaps propagating further [[Character assassination\|defamation of my character]]?		:What damage are you speaking of? The party in question has libeled me on this point and I have filed a complaint with her ISP. Her claims of "attacks" are untrue. Are you perhaps propagating further [[Character assassination\|defamation of my character]]?

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	Are you unconcerned about defamation? The links and the claim were defamatory. Please remove them. You are an admin. I did not threaten. Rather I ask for you to do something.--[[User:Pleasantville\|Pleasantville]] 19:09, 5 March 2009 (UTC)		Are you unconcerned about defamation? The links and the claim were defamatory. Please remove them. You are an admin. I did not threaten. Rather I ask for you to do something.--[[User:Pleasantville\|Pleasantville]] 19:09, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
	:: Hi Kathryn. It's a wiki. You can take stuff off your talk page if you like. Go for it. --[[User:Liz Henry\|Liz Henry]] 22:23, 5 March 2009 (UTC)		:: Hi Kathryn. It's a wiki. You can take stuff off your talk page if you like. Go for it. --[[User:Liz Henry\|Liz Henry]] 22:23, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
			:: A couple hours later. I have a second to breathe and engage. Can you clarify what is bothering you or that you want me to do here? Is it a question of people moderating language in words like "attack" or "damage"? --[[User:Liz Henry\|Liz Henry]] 23:14, 5 March 2009 (UTC)