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Lquilter: Reverted edits by 89.107.104.120 (Talk) to last revision by Ide Cyan

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Reverted edits by 89.107.104.120 (Talk) to last revision by Ide Cyan

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	:: No, sorry, I don't agree! But let's keep talking about it - I imagine we can come up with some sensible structure for this article. --[[User:Lquilter\|LQ]] 12:21, 12 March 2007 (PDT)		:: No, sorry, I don't agree! But let's keep talking about it - I imagine we can come up with some sensible structure for this article. --[[User:Lquilter\|LQ]] 12:21, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

	~~Ewstlx <a href~~=~~"http~~:~~//yglwbdcyitnl~~.~~com/">yglwbdcyitnl</~~a>, [~~url=http~~:~~//ygrdrftsmnhr.com/~~]~~ygrdrftsmnhr[/url~~], [~~link=http~~:~~//zrdmfyywsbdf.com/~~]~~zrdmfyywsbdf[/link~~], ~~http://czrmnngdqiyc.com/~~		==relations of production==
			on the relations of production, ide cyan, this version:

			: The pornography industry keeps close ties to [[prostitution]], if not in terms of business connections then in terms of means of production, since pornography is largely comprised of videos and images of actual people being paid to have sex, although pornography actors often disclaim the link between their jobs and prostitution, because they have different relations of production: pornography creates a product, whereas prostitution creates a service.

			is much clearer than your first version, but it is still too simplistic. I think it would be better to just take out the whole clause, until and unless we are willing to write a paragraph laying that out. (And I think it would be a bit of a distraction.) --[[User:Lquilter\|LQ]] 12:21, 12 March 2007 (PDT)


			Leave it. It's important. The whole reason pornography is such a thorny issue is that it isn't simply art without actors. Those relations of production matter. (And you're the one who wrote "a definition which pornography actors '''usually''' contest" -- I emphasise the adverb -- and then lectured me about focusing on the west.) --[[User:Ide Cyan\|Ide Cyan]] 12:31, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

89.107.104.120: /* relations of production */

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relations of production

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	:: No, sorry, I don't agree! But let's keep talking about it - I imagine we can come up with some sensible structure for this article. --[[User:Lquilter\|LQ]] 12:21, 12 March 2007 (PDT)		:: No, sorry, I don't agree! But let's keep talking about it - I imagine we can come up with some sensible structure for this article. --[[User:Lquilter\|LQ]] 12:21, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

	=~~=relations of production==~~		Ewstlx <a href="http://yglwbdcyitnl.com/">yglwbdcyitnl</a>, [url=http://ygrdrftsmnhr.com/]ygrdrftsmnhr[/url], [link=http://zrdmfyywsbdf.com/]zrdmfyywsbdf[/link], http://czrmnngdqiyc.com/
	~~on the relations of production, ide cyan, this version~~:

	: The pornography industry keeps close ties to [[prostitution]], if not in terms of business connections then in terms of means of production, since pornography is largely comprised of videos and images of actual people being paid to have sex, although pornography actors often disclaim the link between their jobs and prostitution, because they have different relations of production: pornography creates a ~~product~~, ~~whereas prostitution creates a service.~~

	is much clearer than your first version, but it is still too simplistic. I think it would be better to just take out the whole clause, until and unless we are willing to write a paragraph laying that out. (And I think it would be a bit of a distraction.) --[~~[User~~:~~Lquilter\|LQ~~]] ~~12:21~~, ~~12 March 2007 (PDT)~~


	Leave it. It's important. The whole reason pornography is such a thorny issue is that it isn't simply art without actors. Those relations of production matter. (And you're the one who wrote "a definition which pornography actors '''usually''' contest" -- I emphasise the adverb -- and then lectured me about focusing on the west.) --[~~[User~~:~~Ide Cyan\|Ide Cyan~~]] 12:~~31, 12 March 2007 (PDT)~~

Ide Cyan: Undo revision 25280 by 89.41.67.162 -- thank you for commenting twice, 89.41.67.162; I wasn't sure you were a spammer, but now I am

2007-06-24T02:52:00Z

Undo revision 25280 by 89.41.67.162 -- thank you for commenting twice, 89.41.67.162; I wasn't sure you were a spammer, but now I am

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	Leave it. It's important. The whole reason pornography is such a thorny issue is that it isn't simply art without actors. Those relations of production matter. (And you're the one who wrote "a definition which pornography actors '''usually''' contest" -- I emphasise the adverb -- and then lectured me about focusing on the west.) --[[User:Ide Cyan\|Ide Cyan]] 12:31, 12 March 2007 (PDT)		Leave it. It's important. The whole reason pornography is such a thorny issue is that it isn't simply art without actors. Those relations of production matter. (And you're the one who wrote "a definition which pornography actors '''usually''' contest" -- I emphasise the adverb -- and then lectured me about focusing on the west.) --[[User:Ide Cyan\|Ide Cyan]] 12:31, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

	~~== Nice site ==~~

	Hi
	~~Nice site! Wery Good! (Sry for my bad englesh)~~

89.41.67.162: Nice site

2007-06-24T01:26:21Z

Nice site

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	Leave it. It's important. The whole reason pornography is such a thorny issue is that it isn't simply art without actors. Those relations of production matter. (And you're the one who wrote "a definition which pornography actors '''usually''' contest" -- I emphasise the adverb -- and then lectured me about focusing on the west.) --[[User:Ide Cyan\|Ide Cyan]] 12:31, 12 March 2007 (PDT)		Leave it. It's important. The whole reason pornography is such a thorny issue is that it isn't simply art without actors. Those relations of production matter. (And you're the one who wrote "a definition which pornography actors '''usually''' contest" -- I emphasise the adverb -- and then lectured me about focusing on the west.) --[[User:Ide Cyan\|Ide Cyan]] 12:31, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

			== Nice site ==

			Hi
			Nice site! Wery Good! (Sry for my bad englesh)

Ide Cyan: /* relations of production */

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relations of production

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	is much clearer than your first version, but it is still too simplistic. I think it would be better to just take out the whole clause, until and unless we are willing to write a paragraph laying that out. (And I think it would be a bit of a distraction.) --[[User:Lquilter\|LQ]] 12:21, 12 March 2007 (PDT)		is much clearer than your first version, but it is still too simplistic. I think it would be better to just take out the whole clause, until and unless we are willing to write a paragraph laying that out. (And I think it would be a bit of a distraction.) --[[User:Lquilter\|LQ]] 12:21, 12 March 2007 (PDT)


			Leave it. It's important. The whole reason pornography is such a thorny issue is that it isn't simply art without actors. Those relations of production matter. (And you're the one who wrote "a definition which pornography actors '''usually''' contest" -- I emphasise the adverb -- and then lectured me about focusing on the west.) --[[User:Ide Cyan\|Ide Cyan]] 12:31, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

Lquilter: whose edits conflcit?

2007-03-12T19:23:34Z

whose edits conflcit?

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	: Dude, I don't have time to make larger edits: your edits keep conflicting with mine. And leave my phrase about relations of production in! --[[User:Ide Cyan\|Ide Cyan]] 12:09, 12 March 2007 (PDT)		: Dude, I don't have time to make larger edits: your edits keep conflicting with mine. And leave my phrase about relations of production in! --[[User:Ide Cyan\|Ide Cyan]] 12:09, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

			:: No, ''your'' edits have been conflicting with ''mine''! Ha. I keep saying I am going to tear myself away and go eat something, let you work, and then come back ... and I am going to do it now. The Internet will still be here when I get back. I hope.--[[User:Lquilter\|LQ]] 12:23, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

	: Look, ideally the Industry section should detail all the areas that pornography specialises in. Then further sections can describe particular aspects of those & their analyses. I'm going to sleep soon, so I don't have the time or the energy to do that right now, especially if I keep conflicting with your edits, so I can only hope you'll that agree this structure makes sense. --[[User:Ide Cyan\|Ide Cyan]] 12:17, 12 March 2007 (PDT)		: Look, ideally the Industry section should detail all the areas that pornography specialises in. Then further sections can describe particular aspects of those & their analyses. I'm going to sleep soon, so I don't have the time or the energy to do that right now, especially if I keep conflicting with your edits, so I can only hope you'll that agree this structure makes sense. --[[User:Ide Cyan\|Ide Cyan]] 12:17, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

Lquilter: responses

2007-03-12T19:21:53Z

responses

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	: Look, ideally the Industry section should detail all the areas that pornography specialises in. Then further sections can describe particular aspects of those & their analyses. I'm going to sleep soon, so I don't have the time or the energy to do that right now, especially if I keep conflicting with your edits, so I can only hope you'll that agree this structure makes sense. --[[User:Ide Cyan\|Ide Cyan]] 12:17, 12 March 2007 (PDT)		: Look, ideally the Industry section should detail all the areas that pornography specialises in. Then further sections can describe particular aspects of those & their analyses. I'm going to sleep soon, so I don't have the time or the energy to do that right now, especially if I keep conflicting with your edits, so I can only hope you'll that agree this structure makes sense. --[[User:Ide Cyan\|Ide Cyan]] 12:17, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

			:: No, sorry, I don't agree! But let's keep talking about it - I imagine we can come up with some sensible structure for this article. --[[User:Lquilter\|LQ]] 12:21, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

			==relations of production==
			on the relations of production, ide cyan, this version:

			: The pornography industry keeps close ties to [[prostitution]], if not in terms of business connections then in terms of means of production, since pornography is largely comprised of videos and images of actual people being paid to have sex, although pornography actors often disclaim the link between their jobs and prostitution, because they have different relations of production: pornography creates a product, whereas prostitution creates a service.

			is much clearer than your first version, but it is still too simplistic. I think it would be better to just take out the whole clause, until and unless we are willing to write a paragraph laying that out. (And I think it would be a bit of a distraction.) --[[User:Lquilter\|LQ]] 12:21, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

Ide Cyan: formatting

2007-03-12T19:17:56Z

formatting

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	:Industry is work. Work takes place across different media. The order is clear to me. --[[User:Ide Cyan\|Ide Cyan]] 11:56, 12 March 2007 (PDT)		:Industry is work. Work takes place across different media. The order is clear to me. --[[User:Ide Cyan\|Ide Cyan]] 11:56, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

	: You added the "lit" piece at the end of the video section, so I'm guessing you intended that section to be about porn as an industry; however, it is actually quite obviously just a commentary about the porn magazine / film industry in the contemporary west. That's not even a holistic view of the "industry" which is ''not'' just about actors, ''not'' just about the west, ''not'' just about contemporary industry, and ''not'' just about film/vid but also Internet, sex shows, and so on. I think it would be more manageable to describe this section, honestly, as contemporary video/film industry; described as such, it is not "the industry" but is more clearly parallel to other aspects of the pornography industry over time. --[[User:Lquilter\|LQ]] 12:05, 12 March 2007 (PDT)		You added the "lit" piece at the end of the video section, so I'm guessing you intended that section to be about porn as an industry; however, it is actually quite obviously just a commentary about the porn magazine / film industry in the contemporary west. That's not even a holistic view of the "industry" which is ''not'' just about actors, ''not'' just about the west, ''not'' just about contemporary industry, and ''not'' just about film/vid but also Internet, sex shows, and so on. I think it would be more manageable to describe this section, honestly, as contemporary video/film industry; described as such, it is not "the industry" but is more clearly parallel to other aspects of the pornography industry over time. --[[User:Lquilter\|LQ]] 12:05, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

	: Dude, I don't have time to make larger edits: your edits keep conflicting with mine. And leave my phrase about relations of production in! --[[User:Ide Cyan\|Ide Cyan]] 12:09, 12 March 2007 (PDT)		: Dude, I don't have time to make larger edits: your edits keep conflicting with mine. And leave my phrase about relations of production in! --[[User:Ide Cyan\|Ide Cyan]] 12:09, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

	: Look, ideally the Industry section should detail all the areas that pornography specialises in. Then further sections can describe particular aspects of those & their analyses. I'm going to sleep soon, so I don't have the time or the energy to do that right now, especially if I keep conflicting with your edits, so I can only hope you'll that agree this structure makes sense. --[[User:Ide Cyan\|Ide Cyan]] 12:17, 12 March 2007 (PDT)		: Look, ideally the Industry section should detail all the areas that pornography specialises in. Then further sections can describe particular aspects of those & their analyses. I'm going to sleep soon, so I don't have the time or the energy to do that right now, especially if I keep conflicting with your edits, so I can only hope you'll that agree this structure makes sense. --[[User:Ide Cyan\|Ide Cyan]] 12:17, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

Ide Cyan: Proposition

2007-03-12T19:17:34Z

Proposition

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	:Industry is work. Work takes place across different media. The order is clear to me. --[[User:Ide Cyan\|Ide Cyan]] 11:56, 12 March 2007 (PDT)		:Industry is work. Work takes place across different media. The order is clear to me. --[[User:Ide Cyan\|Ide Cyan]] 11:56, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

	:: You added the "lit" piece at the end of the video section, so I'm guessing you intended that section to be about porn as an industry; however, it is actually quite obviously just a commentary about the porn magazine / film industry in the contemporary west. That's not even a holistic view of the "industry" which is ''not'' just about actors, ''not'' just about the west, ''not'' just about contemporary industry, and ''not'' just about film/vid but also Internet, sex shows, and so on. I think it would be more manageable to describe this section, honestly, as contemporary video/film industry; described as such, it is not "the industry" but is more clearly parallel to other aspects of the pornography industry over time. --[[User:Lquilter\|LQ]] 12:05, 12 March 2007 (PDT)		: You added the "lit" piece at the end of the video section, so I'm guessing you intended that section to be about porn as an industry; however, it is actually quite obviously just a commentary about the porn magazine / film industry in the contemporary west. That's not even a holistic view of the "industry" which is ''not'' just about actors, ''not'' just about the west, ''not'' just about contemporary industry, and ''not'' just about film/vid but also Internet, sex shows, and so on. I think it would be more manageable to describe this section, honestly, as contemporary video/film industry; described as such, it is not "the industry" but is more clearly parallel to other aspects of the pornography industry over time. --[[User:Lquilter\|LQ]] 12:05, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

	Dude, I don't have time to make larger edits: your edits keep conflicting with mine. And leave my phrase about relations of production in! --[[User:Ide Cyan\|Ide Cyan]] 12:09, 12 March 2007 (PDT)		: Dude, I don't have time to make larger edits: your edits keep conflicting with mine. And leave my phrase about relations of production in! --[[User:Ide Cyan\|Ide Cyan]] 12:09, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

			: Look, ideally the Industry section should detail all the areas that pornography specialises in. Then further sections can describe particular aspects of those & their analyses. I'm going to sleep soon, so I don't have the time or the energy to do that right now, especially if I keep conflicting with your edits, so I can only hope you'll that agree this structure makes sense. --[[User:Ide Cyan\|Ide Cyan]] 12:17, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

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	: Dude, I don't have time to make larger edits: your edits keep conflicting with mine. And leave my phrase about relations of production in! --[[User:Ide Cyan\|Ide Cyan]] 12:09, 12 March 2007 (PDT)		: Dude, I don't have time to make larger edits: your edits keep conflicting with mine. And leave my phrase about relations of production in! --[[User:Ide Cyan\|Ide Cyan]] 12:09, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

			:: No, ''your'' edits have been conflicting with ''mine''! Ha. I keep saying I am going to tear myself away and go eat something, let you work, and then come back ... and I am going to do it now. The Internet will still be here when I get back. I hope.--[[User:Lquilter\|LQ]] 12:23, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

	: Look, ideally the Industry section should detail all the areas that pornography specialises in. Then further sections can describe particular aspects of those & their analyses. I'm going to sleep soon, so I don't have the time or the energy to do that right now, especially if I keep conflicting with your edits, so I can only hope you'll that agree this structure makes sense. --[[User:Ide Cyan\|Ide Cyan]] 12:17, 12 March 2007 (PDT)		: Look, ideally the Industry section should detail all the areas that pornography specialises in. Then further sections can describe particular aspects of those & their analyses. I'm going to sleep soon, so I don't have the time or the energy to do that right now, especially if I keep conflicting with your edits, so I can only hope you'll that agree this structure makes sense. --[[User:Ide Cyan\|Ide Cyan]] 12:17, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

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	:Industry is work. Work takes place across different media. The order is clear to me. --[[User:Ide Cyan\|Ide Cyan]] 11:56, 12 March 2007 (PDT)		:Industry is work. Work takes place across different media. The order is clear to me. --[[User:Ide Cyan\|Ide Cyan]] 11:56, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

	: You added the "lit" piece at the end of the video section, so I'm guessing you intended that section to be about porn as an industry; however, it is actually quite obviously just a commentary about the porn magazine / film industry in the contemporary west. That's not even a holistic view of the "industry" which is ''not'' just about actors, ''not'' just about the west, ''not'' just about contemporary industry, and ''not'' just about film/vid but also Internet, sex shows, and so on. I think it would be more manageable to describe this section, honestly, as contemporary video/film industry; described as such, it is not "the industry" but is more clearly parallel to other aspects of the pornography industry over time. --[[User:Lquilter\|LQ]] 12:05, 12 March 2007 (PDT)		You added the "lit" piece at the end of the video section, so I'm guessing you intended that section to be about porn as an industry; however, it is actually quite obviously just a commentary about the porn magazine / film industry in the contemporary west. That's not even a holistic view of the "industry" which is ''not'' just about actors, ''not'' just about the west, ''not'' just about contemporary industry, and ''not'' just about film/vid but also Internet, sex shows, and so on. I think it would be more manageable to describe this section, honestly, as contemporary video/film industry; described as such, it is not "the industry" but is more clearly parallel to other aspects of the pornography industry over time. --[[User:Lquilter\|LQ]] 12:05, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

	: Dude, I don't have time to make larger edits: your edits keep conflicting with mine. And leave my phrase about relations of production in! --[[User:Ide Cyan\|Ide Cyan]] 12:09, 12 March 2007 (PDT)		: Dude, I don't have time to make larger edits: your edits keep conflicting with mine. And leave my phrase about relations of production in! --[[User:Ide Cyan\|Ide Cyan]] 12:09, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

	: Look, ideally the Industry section should detail all the areas that pornography specialises in. Then further sections can describe particular aspects of those & their analyses. I'm going to sleep soon, so I don't have the time or the energy to do that right now, especially if I keep conflicting with your edits, so I can only hope you'll that agree this structure makes sense. --[[User:Ide Cyan\|Ide Cyan]] 12:17, 12 March 2007 (PDT)		: Look, ideally the Industry section should detail all the areas that pornography specialises in. Then further sections can describe particular aspects of those & their analyses. I'm going to sleep soon, so I don't have the time or the energy to do that right now, especially if I keep conflicting with your edits, so I can only hope you'll that agree this structure makes sense. --[[User:Ide Cyan\|Ide Cyan]] 12:17, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

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	:Industry is work. Work takes place across different media. The order is clear to me. --[[User:Ide Cyan\|Ide Cyan]] 11:56, 12 March 2007 (PDT)		:Industry is work. Work takes place across different media. The order is clear to me. --[[User:Ide Cyan\|Ide Cyan]] 11:56, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

	:: You added the "lit" piece at the end of the video section, so I'm guessing you intended that section to be about porn as an industry; however, it is actually quite obviously just a commentary about the porn magazine / film industry in the contemporary west. That's not even a holistic view of the "industry" which is ''not'' just about actors, ''not'' just about the west, ''not'' just about contemporary industry, and ''not'' just about film/vid but also Internet, sex shows, and so on. I think it would be more manageable to describe this section, honestly, as contemporary video/film industry; described as such, it is not "the industry" but is more clearly parallel to other aspects of the pornography industry over time. --[[User:Lquilter\|LQ]] 12:05, 12 March 2007 (PDT)		: You added the "lit" piece at the end of the video section, so I'm guessing you intended that section to be about porn as an industry; however, it is actually quite obviously just a commentary about the porn magazine / film industry in the contemporary west. That's not even a holistic view of the "industry" which is ''not'' just about actors, ''not'' just about the west, ''not'' just about contemporary industry, and ''not'' just about film/vid but also Internet, sex shows, and so on. I think it would be more manageable to describe this section, honestly, as contemporary video/film industry; described as such, it is not "the industry" but is more clearly parallel to other aspects of the pornography industry over time. --[[User:Lquilter\|LQ]] 12:05, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

	Dude, I don't have time to make larger edits: your edits keep conflicting with mine. And leave my phrase about relations of production in! --[[User:Ide Cyan\|Ide Cyan]] 12:09, 12 March 2007 (PDT)		: Dude, I don't have time to make larger edits: your edits keep conflicting with mine. And leave my phrase about relations of production in! --[[User:Ide Cyan\|Ide Cyan]] 12:09, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

			: Look, ideally the Industry section should detail all the areas that pornography specialises in. Then further sections can describe particular aspects of those & their analyses. I'm going to sleep soon, so I don't have the time or the energy to do that right now, especially if I keep conflicting with your edits, so I can only hope you'll that agree this structure makes sense. --[[User:Ide Cyan\|Ide Cyan]] 12:17, 12 March 2007 (PDT)