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	~~This article is rather biased in favor of the race wankers e~~.g "~~The comment thread~~, ~~78 responses long~~, ~~was filled with fail~~. ~~A lot of 101-level thinking~~. "

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Names and pseudonyms

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 This article is rather biased in favor of the race wankers e.g "The comment thread, 78 responses long, was filled with fail. A lot of 101-level thinking. "

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Internal Links for Blog Post Titles

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	I thought it would be a good idea for each of the major blog posts (particularly those that have disappeared from the public Internet) to have its own page where we can call out highlights, important threads, and individual comments that sparked other discussions/posts, etc. ~~That will keep the main timeline page pretty clear and straightforward. -KTempest~~

	~~:It's~~ a ~~good idea, though copyright restrictions may apply. --[[User:Pleasantville\|Pleasantville]] aka [[Kathryn Cramer]]16:32, 6 February 2009 (UTC)~~

	:: I think it is fair use, as these posts have been quoted and responded to and are part of public discourse. I'm not the expert on that though. 8-) --[[User:Liz Henry\|Liz Henry]] 17:59, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

	:::The general rule of thumb for fair use is quoting 150 words. On my blog, I don't sweat this and on rare occasions when it becomes an issue I either remove the content, pay a fee for use, or both, but Wikis can exist only because of the willingness to put things under a free license (in this case GNU Free Documentation License 1.2), so in general one should adhere to [http://en.~~wikipedia.org~~/~~wiki~~/~~Fair_use fair use guidelines]. (~~[http://~~www.livejournal~~.com/~~legal/tos.bml LJ's ToS~~] ~~state the material is copyright by its author, which is as I expected.)--~~[~~[User:Pleasantville\|Pleasantville]~~] ~~20:19, 6 February 2009 (UTC)~~

	:::I wouldn't say that rule of thumb is appropriate here (and I'd be curious of the context from which it is drawn: I'm guessing the publishing industry. "Best practices" frequently become far more normative than they were originally intended to be when it comes to fair use, and don't translate well to other contexts.). Fair use is a defence, not a hard and fast rule, and while this isn't legal advice, I'd suggest that Pleasantville's approach on her own blog is the best: don't sweat it. If someone is upset at being quoted, there are plenty of forms of conciliation that can be used before IP law needs to be invoked. Calling out (linking to) content would be almost certainly fine, ~~copying-and-pasting beyond what's necessary for review and analysis will gradually shade into other issues. Our stuff on Chilling Effects on the [~~[http://~~www~~.~~chillingeffects.org~~/~~fairuse/faq.cgi Fair Use factors]~~] ~~may be of use. --~~[~~[User:Mala\|Mala~~]~~] 23:25~~, ~~6 February 2009 (UTC)~~
	:~~: Copyright attorney~~ / ~~co-admin of the FSFwiki weighing in: 150 is a rule of thumb adopted by some people~~ / ~~organizations, but it is just that -- a voluntary rule of thumb~~. It in no way reflects the state of the law, which is probably better termed, "as much as needed for a legitimate purpose." Documenting an event and the views, and important language that comes up, is unquestionably important; and so long as individual passages are not unnecessarily included (for instance, to try to or with the effect of supplanting the original) then I think we're okay. In short, it is a fact-specific analysis, and thus we can make our own assessment on a case-by-case basis. No rules of thumb apply. I feel very strongly about this. --[[User:Lquilter\|LQ]] 23:30, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

	::::I envisioned that whole posts would be pasted in when they were no longer available at their original location but were, at one point, public. Like Teresa's post. Otherwise, readers can click to the original to read the whole thing but stay on the page to see important highlights and get the gist of the discussion. [[User:Ktempest\|Tempest]] 06:33, 7 February 2009 (UTC)\
	::::: That works for me. I'm going to take out the full text of things like David Levine's post which are still up, and replace it with links to the original. --[[User:Vito excalibur\|Vito excalibur]] 18:05, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

	=Names and pseudonyms=		=Names and pseudonyms=

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	I think the editors have forgotten that wiki's have history logs showing all edits. If you want to remove the google link, you'll probably have to remove it from the history.		I think the editors have forgotten that wiki's have history logs showing all edits. If you want to remove the google link, you'll probably have to remove it from the history.

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			This article is rather biased in favor of the race wankers e.g "The comment thread, 78 responses long, was filled with fail. A lot of 101-level thinking. "

203.97.96.78 at 20:48, 10 March 2009

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	:::: I think that we can put that bit in about employment, which Pleasantville wants to be clear to outline some of the complexities of people's relationships. But I would like us to respect people's choices about pseudonymity as best we can. The need for anonymity is one of the reasons that women's history is hard to document. Let's do the best we can here. --[[User:Liz Henry\|Liz Henry]] 23:01, 6 February 2009 (UTC)		:::: I think that we can put that bit in about employment, which Pleasantville wants to be clear to outline some of the complexities of people's relationships. But I would like us to respect people's choices about pseudonymity as best we can. The need for anonymity is one of the reasons that women's history is hard to document. Let's do the best we can here. --[[User:Liz Henry\|Liz Henry]] 23:01, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
	::::: I was formulating an argument along these lines in the car on the way home, but you did it better. Thank you. --[[User:Jonquil\|Jonquil]] 02:14, 7 February 2009 (UTC)		::::: I was formulating an argument along these lines in the car on the way home, but you did it better. Thank you. --[[User:Jonquil\|Jonquil]] 02:14, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


	I don't have my full name on my LJ because it's unique and I don't want it Google-able. Please remove the redirect and the page account.		I don't have my full name on my LJ because it's unique and I don't want it Google-able. Please remove the redirect and the page account.
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	:: He has a fairly long history in feminist/antiracist fandom which some people may not be aware of: [http://coffeeandink.livejournal.com/881075.html Will Shetterly:Do Not Engage] and there is more from [http://deepad.livejournal.com/33512.html deepad] which influenced my snap decision to ban. I think this is the first ban we've had. --[[User:Liz Henry\|Liz Henry]] 20:10, 3 March 2009 (UTC)		:: He has a fairly long history in feminist/antiracist fandom which some people may not be aware of: [http://coffeeandink.livejournal.com/881075.html Will Shetterly:Do Not Engage] and there is more from [http://deepad.livejournal.com/33512.html deepad] which influenced my snap decision to ban. I think this is the first ban we've had. --[[User:Liz Henry\|Liz Henry]] 20:10, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
	* I added some additional more specific draft language to [[FSFwiki:Privacy policy]]. I'm not wedded to anything but thought some draft language might be helpful to jumpstart the process. Please have at it. [[User:Lquilter\|LQ]] 20:55, 3 March 2009 (UTC)		* I added some additional more specific draft language to [[FSFwiki:Privacy policy]]. I'm not wedded to anything but thought some draft language might be helpful to jumpstart the process. Please have at it. [[User:Lquilter\|LQ]] 20:55, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

			I think the editors have forgotten that wiki's have history logs showing all edits. If you want to remove the google link, you'll probably have to remove it from the history.

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	:: He has a fairly long history in feminist/antiracist fandom which some people may not be aware of: [http://coffeeandink.livejournal.com/881075.html Will Shetterly:Do Not Engage] and there is more from [http://deepad.livejournal.com/33512.html deepad] which influenced my snap decision to ban. I think this is the first ban we've had. --[[User:Liz Henry\|Liz Henry]] 20:10, 3 March 2009 (UTC)		:: He has a fairly long history in feminist/antiracist fandom which some people may not be aware of: [http://coffeeandink.livejournal.com/881075.html Will Shetterly:Do Not Engage] and there is more from [http://deepad.livejournal.com/33512.html deepad] which influenced my snap decision to ban. I think this is the first ban we've had. --[[User:Liz Henry\|Liz Henry]] 20:10, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
			* I added some additional more specific draft language to [[FSFwiki:Privacy policy]]. I'm not wedded to anything but thought some draft language might be helpful to jumpstart the process. Please have at it. [[User:Lquilter\|LQ]] 20:55, 3 March 2009 (UTC)