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Lquilter: delia

2007-06-01T19:15:05Z

delia

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	Solo Presentations•607• Sunday, 4:00-5:15 p.m.		Solo Presentations•607• Sunday, 4:00-5:15 p.m.

	When my first novel, ''[[Swordspoint]]'', came out in 1987, I never imagined it would become the touchstone of the "[[Fantasy of Manners]]" or "[[MannerPunk]]" movement—let alone that I would go on to write two more connected novels, set 60 years (''[[The Fall of the Kings]]'', 2002, written with Delia Sherman) & 20 years (''[[The Privilege of the Sword]]'', 2006) after it! It's been a long, strange trip, and I'd love to describe, discuss and answer readers' questions about the process, the characters and the world—and what's next!		When my first novel, ''[[Swordspoint]]'', came out in 1987, I never imagined it would become the touchstone of the "[[Fantasy of Manners]]" or "[[MannerPunk]]" movement—let alone that I would go on to write two more connected novels, set 60 years (''[[The Fall of the Kings]]'', 2002, written with [[Delia Sherman]]) & 20 years (''[[The Privilege of the Sword]]'', 2006) after it! It's been a long, strange trip, and I'd love to describe, discuss and answer readers' questions about the process, the characters and the world—and what's next!

	[[Ellen Kushner]]		[[Ellen Kushner]]

Lquilter: period

2007-06-01T19:11:16Z

period

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	== Transcripts and Notes ==		== Transcripts and Notes ==

	Partial presentation notes by [[Janice Dawley.]]		Partial presentation notes by [[Janice Dawley]].

	Ellen says that her whole life has changed since last [[WisCon 30\|WisCon]]. Last year ''[[The Privilege of the Sword]]'' had not yet been published.		Ellen says that her whole life has changed since last [[WisCon 30\|WisCon]]. Last year ''[[The Privilege of the Sword]]'' had not yet been published.

Lquilter: links

2007-06-01T19:10:34Z

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JLeland: typo

2007-06-01T18:29:31Z

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	Ellen Kushner		Ellen Kushner

	== ~~Transcipts~~ and Notes ==		== Transcripts and Notes ==

	Partial presentation notes by Janice Dawley.		Partial presentation notes by Janice Dawley.

JLeland: added notes

2007-06-01T18:28:59Z

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	Ellen Kushner		Ellen Kushner

			== Transcipts and Notes ==

			Partial presentation notes by Janice Dawley.

			Ellen says that her whole life has changed since last WisCon. Last year ''[[The Privilege of the Sword]]'' had not yet been published.

			She delights in the multiplicity of reader reactions.

			Chomp, chomp -- she loves the WisCon hotdogs.

			[[Joan Vinge]] & [[Jim Frenkel]] at Dell were really supportive of her forging her short stories into a novel. The only short story she sold before ''[[Swordspoint]]'' was “Red Cloak”.

			''Swordspoint'' was published by Unwin in the UK before the US.

			At first she thought she wouldn’t write a sequel -- trashy people wrote sequels! For a long time, when people asked, “What happens next?” she would say, “A diphtheria epidemic swept through the city and they all died.”

			But she missed the characters. She wrote “The Swordsman Whose Name was Not Death” as an exploration of the main characters’ misogyny. She felt somewhat bad about her male characters who cared only about themselves, and this at a time when “[[Ursula K. Le Guin\|Ursula Le Guin]] was ritually flogging herself with a diaphragm and rewriting her [[Earthsea]] books.”

			She says writing ''[[The Fall of the Kings]]'' saved her and [[Delia Sherman\|Delia’s]] marriage, because it gave them something to do together while Ellen was “going psycho” with the radio show ([http://www.wgbh.org/wgbh/pages/pri/spirit/ Sound & Spirit]).

			“The Death of the Duke” is not really canonical, it’s “a fantasia”.

			She became a fan of outlines after writing tPotS.

			“I’ll be honest with you. I write really complicated books, and you’re supposed to read them twice.” [laughter] “I mean it!”

			On the Campion family: “They’re all crazy as coots!” (except for Katherine)

			The Ugly Girl was written in response to a panel [[Debbie Notkin]] ran at another convention. Audience members are split about whether they like her or not.

			Regarding more fictional visits with Richard and Alec: “I’m a huge [[Dorothy Dunnett\|Dunnett]] fan, a huge [[Georgette Heyer]] fan, a huge [[Elizabeth Knox]] fan. I want the biscuit!” But she doesn’t want to repeat herself.

			She is aware of fanfiction set in her world, and thinks a lot of it is really good (though
			officially and publicly SHE HASN’T SAID THAT). It actually inspires her to write more, because if she doesn’t, someone else will!

			She recounts the story of her encounter with a real blind swordsman (after writing tPotS) and her sense of vindication.

			People discuss what the best reading order is for the Riverside books. Ellen advises chronological order, and most audience members agree.

	[[Category:WisCon 31 events]]		[[Category:WisCon 31 events]]

Lquilter: cat

2007-05-30T22:40:39Z

cat

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[[Welcome Back to Riverside! (WisCon 31)|189 Welcome Back to Riverside!]]

Solo Presentations•607• Sunday, 4:00-5:15 p.m.

When my first novel, Swordspoint, came out in 1987, I never imagined it would become the touchstone of the "Fantasy of Manners" or "MannerPunk" movement—let alone that I would go on to write two more connected novels, set 60 years (The Fall of the Kings, 2002, written with Delia Sherman) & 20 years (The Privilege of the Sword, 2006) after it! It's been a long, strange trip, and I'd love to describe, discuss and answer readers' questions about the process, the characters and the world—and what's next!

Ellen Kushner

[[Category:WisCon 31 events]]

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	Solo Presentations•607• Sunday, 4:00-5:15 p.m.		Solo Presentations•607• Sunday, 4:00-5:15 p.m.

	When my first novel, Swordspoint, came out in 1987, I never imagined it would become the touchstone of the "Fantasy of Manners" or "MannerPunk" movement—let alone that I would go on to write two more connected novels, set 60 years (The Fall of the Kings, 2002, written with Delia Sherman) & 20 years (The Privilege of the Sword, 2006) after it! It's been a long, strange trip, and I'd love to describe, discuss and answer readers' questions about the process, the characters and the world—and what's next!		When my first novel, ''[[Swordspoint]]'', came out in 1987, I never imagined it would become the touchstone of the "[[Fantasy of Manners]]" or "[[MannerPunk]]" movement—let alone that I would go on to write two more connected novels, set 60 years (''[[The Fall of the Kings]]'', 2002, written with Delia Sherman) & 20 years (''[[The Privilege of the Sword]]'', 2006) after it! It's been a long, strange trip, and I'd love to describe, discuss and answer readers' questions about the process, the characters and the world—and what's next!

	Ellen Kushner		[[Ellen Kushner]]

	== Transcripts and Notes ==		== Transcripts and Notes ==

	Partial presentation notes by Janice Dawley.		Partial presentation notes by [[Janice Dawley.]]

	Ellen says that her whole life has changed since last WisCon. Last year ''[[The Privilege of the Sword]]'' had not yet been published.		Ellen says that her whole life has changed since last [[WisCon 30\|WisCon]]. Last year ''[[The Privilege of the Sword]]'' had not yet been published.

	She delights in the multiplicity of reader reactions.		She delights in the multiplicity of reader reactions.
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	At first she thought she wouldn’t write a sequel -- trashy people wrote sequels! For a long time, when people asked, “What happens next?” she would say, “A diphtheria epidemic swept through the city and they all died.”		At first she thought she wouldn’t write a sequel -- trashy people wrote sequels! For a long time, when people asked, “What happens next?” she would say, “A diphtheria epidemic swept through the city and they all died.”

	But she missed the characters. She wrote ~~“The~~ Swordsman Whose Name ~~was~~ Not ~~Death”~~ as an exploration of the main characters’ misogyny. She felt somewhat bad about her male characters who cared only about themselves, and this at a time when “[[Ursula K. Le Guin\|Ursula Le Guin]] was ritually flogging herself with a diaphragm and rewriting her [[Earthsea]] books.”		But she missed the characters. She wrote “[[The Swordsman Whose Name Was Not Death]]” as an exploration of the main characters’ misogyny. She felt somewhat bad about her male characters who cared only about themselves, and this at a time when “[[Ursula K. Le Guin\|Ursula Le Guin]] was ritually flogging herself with a diaphragm and rewriting her [[Earthsea]] books.”

	She says writing ''[[The Fall of the Kings]]'' saved her and [[Delia Sherman\|Delia’s]] marriage, because it gave them something to do together while Ellen was “going psycho” with the radio show ([http://www.wgbh.org/wgbh/pages/pri/spirit/ Sound & Spirit]).		She says writing ''[[The Fall of the Kings]]'' saved her and [[Delia Sherman\|Delia’s]] marriage, because it gave them something to do together while Ellen was “going psycho” with the radio show ([http://www.wgbh.org/wgbh/pages/pri/spirit/ Sound & Spirit]).

	~~“The~~ Death of the ~~Duke”~~ is not really canonical, it’s “a fantasia”.		“[[The Death of the Duke]]” is not really canonical, it’s “a fantasia”.

	She became a fan of outlines after writing tPotS.		She became a fan of outlines after writing tPotS.
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	“I’ll be honest with you. I write really complicated books, and you’re supposed to read them twice.” [laughter] “I mean it!”		“I’ll be honest with you. I write really complicated books, and you’re supposed to read them twice.” [laughter] “I mean it!”

	On the Campion family: “They’re all crazy as coots!” (except for Katherine)		On the Campion family: “They’re all crazy as coots!” (except for [[Katherine Talbert\|Katherine]])

	The Ugly Girl was written in response to a panel [[Debbie Notkin]] ran at another convention. Audience members are split about whether they like her or not.		The Ugly Girl was written in response to a panel [[Debbie Notkin]] ran at another convention. Audience members are split about whether they like her or not.
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	Regarding more fictional visits with Richard and Alec: “I’m a huge [[Dorothy Dunnett\|Dunnett]] fan, a huge [[Georgette Heyer]] fan, a huge [[Elizabeth Knox]] fan. I want the biscuit!” But she doesn’t want to repeat herself.		Regarding more fictional visits with Richard and Alec: “I’m a huge [[Dorothy Dunnett\|Dunnett]] fan, a huge [[Georgette Heyer]] fan, a huge [[Elizabeth Knox]] fan. I want the biscuit!” But she doesn’t want to repeat herself.

	She is aware of fanfiction set in her world, and thinks a lot of it is really good (though		She is aware of fanfiction set in her world, and thinks a lot of it is really good (though officially and publicly SHE HASN’T SAID THAT). It actually inspires her to write more, because if she doesn’t, someone else will!
	officially and publicly SHE HASN’T SAID THAT). It actually inspires her to write more, because if she doesn’t, someone else will!

	She recounts the story of her encounter with a real blind swordsman (after writing tPotS) and her sense of vindication.		She recounts the story of her encounter with a real blind swordsman (after writing tPotS) and her sense of vindication.

	People discuss what the best reading order is for the Riverside books. Ellen advises chronological order, and most audience members agree.		People discuss what the best reading order is for the [[Riverside series\|Riverside books]]. Ellen advises chronological order, and most audience members agree.

	[[Category:WisCon 31 events]]		[[Category:WisCon 31 events]]