User talk:Ide Cyan

Hey Ide Cyan -- Would you care to write a paragraph or two about Materialist feminism ? I think it would be helpful, as we build out various analyses of works and trends within sf, to be able to refer to significant theories & approaches. --LQ 10:14, 6 February 2007 (PST)

I mean to. I'm rereading Christine Delphy in the original French (after finding her in English translation first) these days. She literally wrote the book on that topic. --Ide Cyan 12:34, 6 February 2007 (PST)

Excellent. It will be great to have more on feminist theory in the wiki. I love this wiki! I think it will be a great resource. --LQ 13:52, 6 February 2007 (PST)

cat cap

the cat cap is an issue - i get it wrong too. we should develop some sort of style guide, or adopt wikipedia's. i don't love wikipedia's style guide on this issue, but maybe it's a standard people will be familiar with. whatever we do, we should do something consistent! --LQ 10:16, 6 February 2007 (PST)

There's also the issue of title formatting: whether to use italics of "quote marks" around a TV show's name, etc. A style guide (or a rough sketch of one) would be good. It would be handy if there was a page referencing all tags, or most common tags, but the endless Year of Birth / Death / Publication categories, because they begin with numbers, are all at the top of the search results if you try to pull the full list of categories. --Ide Cyan 12:34, 6 February 2007 (PST)

...Well, there's this page I've just noticed. *thud* --Ide Cyan 12:37, 6 February 2007 (PST)

Yah ... o god so much work. And so much of it that is not that fun to me. I have opinions (always) but never the inclination to actually start the thing, just to nitpick about it after someone else does it. Are you a grammarian / punctuationist? If neither of us are we should try to recruit other people who are. I haven't been doing so well in recruiting. I'm going to do it at WisCon and also in Boston over the next few months -- host wiki workshops & teas in my home, that sort of thing. liz often has great ideas on this kind of thing too. maybe i should just post on the blog & ask for other suggestions.

aside from recruiting & getting other people onto this, there's a bunch of useful things under the "Special pages" (on the left) and in Category:About and all the stuff starting with FSFwiki:x -- I'm still learning all the features of mediawiki software. Luckily my current job will end in a couple of weeks & then I'm taking some time off & planning to do a lot of fsf stuff. --LQ 13:52, 6 February 2007 (PST)

louky bersianik

i'd love to see your thoughts on louky bersianik's euguelionne -- it's been years since i read it but it made a huge impact. you could read it in french & english! also you & liz henry & i should talk sometime about non-english-language stuff: should we do it in namespace or a separate subdomain the way wikipedia does it? or just in titles of things -- e.g., "Buffy (en)", "Buffy (sp)", "Buffy (fr)" ... --LQ 13:39, 7 February 2007 (PST)

I have read it (L'Euguélionne) ages ago (it was one of my formative feminist texts) in the original French (ma langue maternelle, après tout -- j'habite pas loin de l'auteure!), and I reread bits of it from time to time -- I have a mass-market paperback copy of it, with tiny print and small pages unsuitable for scanning or even being held open in order to quote from it (though the library has a hardback, which I'd originally read before buying my own copy), so referencing it is a bit difficult. It's a lovely, poetic text, extremely stirring and profound, but analysis-wise, less demonstrative than inspirational. I've seen English translations in used books stores -- the only one I bought was the one I mailed to Liz Henry. As for creating other versions of this Wiki. Oh, tabarnak. Ça n'en finirait plus... Je suis d'avis que -- I propose *this* version should be multi-lingual, to avoid redundancies and divisions and multiplication of labour. (I've already got a friend who refuses to contribute to this Wiki because it decentralises efforts away from the Wikipedia. ) Might be simpler to create a (number of) template(s) indicating what language is being used, if necessary. And let who will écrire en sa propre langue. --Ide Cyan 14:03, 7 February 2007 (PST)

Multilingual, yes; I wrote something on FSFwiki:Style Guide & would appreciate any wordsmithing / other thoughts; also some notes on FSFwiki:To Do List. ... You should tell your friend that this is an altogether different project. That wikipedia will only do notable, for instance, and we want completist for everything feminist or worthy of feminist analysis. So there, right there, is a distinguishing feature: Your friend can contribute anything "Wikipedian notable" to Wikipedia but also still contribute here. Also your friend can't contribute "feminist POV" stuff to wikipedia, because that's not "neutral point of view". ... I myself contribute lots and lots to wikipedia and to this project. See FSFwiki:Wikipedia for more. --LQ 14:36, 7 February 2007 (PST)

moving pages & talk pages

did you have to move the talk page separately on women attacking their lovers? usually it moves the talk page with the article ...? --LQ 20:47, 16 February 2007 (PST)

I only used one Move Page form, but it showed two separate actions. For some reason, there are pages where the Move form isn't the same as for the others, and the option to move the associated talk page is optional rather than automatic -- I think those are what's causing the Move to show up as two actions. --Ide Cyan 20:50, 16 February 2007 (PST)

• Hey, the next time you see one of those where it doesn't want to move the talk page automatically, don't actually click the final "move"; drop me a line & let me know it. I want to look at it to see if there's some permission or reason you don't have that option. --LQ 21:09, 16 February 2007 (PST)

If you go here you can see the same sort of thing I saw when I first moved it. Compare with with this one, for instance. Do you see the extra warnings and checkbox? I can make screencaps to show you, if you can't. --Ide Cyan 21:13, 16 February 2007 (PST)

SF or sf

• Somehow, been using "SF" as the standard; it was a typeface convention from making image files and whatnot for feministSF, but I think it's okay. --LQ 21:10, 16 February 2007 (PST)