Talk:Women attacking their lovers

What's the context for this entry? I mean, "check out these powerful women attacking their lovers" -- is that supposed to sound glib and/or spiteful, or what? Should we be rooting for them, or bemoaning the bitch goddess cliché? If that's a relevent distinction, it would make sense to precise it on the page.

There's a world of difference in the narrative function and agency involved for the women who are attacking their lovers in the examples from Buffy the Vampire Slayer and X-Men 3 as listed.

And they're smegging huge spoilers, too, for their respective series.

--Ide Cyan 07:04, 9 December 2006 (PST)

Does it sound glib and/or spiteful to you? Feel free to recaption it.

As for my intent, it's just observation. I was just watching Alias & it suddenly occurred to me that this particular plot had happened several times. I thought it was interesting that this particular plot device had recurred in all these strong-woman tv shows. So it's simply an observation, that invites others' speculation, additional observations, etc.

Like you could add a section that lists possible intended audience responses, or possible related cliche's & themes, since that's what you started thinking about. You could also write about the ways the plot device is used very differently in the different shows. You or me or someone else could list other shows with powerful female protagonists (PFPs) that didn't ever do this - counterexamples, or other shows with PFPs that did have this theme. One could look at the writers for those particular shows & speculate on gender issues relating to authorship, if any are apparent.

Feel free to also talk about how this plot device has been used in so many different ways that it is not a meaningful observation! Although, I might argue with that eventually ...

--LQ 08:37, 9 December 2006 (PST)

spoilers

the S2 Buffy episode in question took place, what, eight years ago? i guess i'm just not that worried about spoilers, because anything you read on this wiki or, hell, the internet, can "spoil" things. i mean, the revelation that veronica mars (hey, there's another one... not a physical attack, though) is a PI at the beginning of the show was done in a particular way for a particular reason, to set up the noir feel; if one encounters that information elsewhere, it affects one's reception of the show. i can't really distinguish between this page and, for instance, pages that list women vampires or vampire slayers or whatever. every bit of knowledge affects the virginal reception of the show. but, just because the whole concept of spoilers and spoiler warnings makes no sense to me, doesn't mean that other people don't have strong feelings and advanced theoretical ideas about it. so people (like you) should feel free to put in spoiler warnings that are responsive to their own arbitrary/subjective feelings on the matter (like you did). maybe you should edit the template to put in lots of white blank space. it would annoy me, the non-spoiler-caring reader, but anti-spoiler people seem to feel more strongly than don't-mind-spoilers people. so i'm happy to cater to the strong (if mystifying) feelings of the spoiler-haters. --LQ 10:09, 9 December 2006 (PST)