Talk:Gender performativity

As described -- I don't have the original reference -- this processus is an ideological causal loop. What created gender before there were "people's performances of what they believe about gender"? Ideas of gender arose out of nowhere? A divine edict fell down from on high? What?! --Ide Cyan 02:10, 15 December 2006 (PST)

Can you describe the problems with the concept on the main page? Or if you're saying I've described the theory inadequately, can you improve it? --LQ 05:11, 15 December 2006 (PST)

I do not have access to nor have I read the book by Judith Butler, so, in the absence of a direct quote, I can't ascertain whether you've described its propositions adequately or not, and can only criticise the subject based on how you've described it. --Ide Cyan 14:59, 15 December 2006 (PST)

Ide, how is the idea of gender performativity any more of a causal loop than other cultural phenomena? As far as I remember (I read Gender Trouble over 10 years ago), Butler does not attempt to explain where gendered behaviors came from originally (which is an impossible task if you ask me); her approach is to dig into the psychological and sociological aspects using postmodern theories by Irigaray, Lacan, etc. to show how we enact and pass along gendered behaviors now. I took down a lot of quotes from the book, so maybe I can add some more content to the main page to explain this a little more. --Therem 13:18, 16 December 2006 (PST)