User talk:Ide Cyan

materialist feminism

Hey Ide Cyan -- Would you care to write a paragraph or two about Materialist feminism ? I think it would be helpful, as we build out various analyses of works and trends within sf, to be able to refer to significant theories & approaches. --LQ 10:14, 6 February 2007 (PST)

I mean to. I'm rereading Christine Delphy in the original French (after finding her in English translation first) these days. She literally wrote the book on that topic. --Ide Cyan 12:34, 6 February 2007 (PST)

Excellent. It will be great to have more on feminist theory in the wiki. I love this wiki! I think it will be a great resource. --LQ 13:52, 6 February 2007 (PST)

cat cap

the cat cap is an issue - i get it wrong too. we should develop some sort of style guide, or adopt wikipedia's. i don't love wikipedia's style guide on this issue, but maybe it's a standard people will be familiar with. whatever we do, we should do something consistent! --LQ 10:16, 6 February 2007 (PST)

There's also the issue of title formatting: whether to use italics of "quote marks" around a TV show's name, etc. A style guide (or a rough sketch of one) would be good. It would be handy if there was a page referencing all tags, or most common tags, but the endless Year of Birth / Death / Publication categories, because they begin with numbers, are all at the top of the search results if you try to pull the full list of categories. --Ide Cyan 12:34, 6 February 2007 (PST)

...Well, there's this page I've just noticed. *thud* --Ide Cyan 12:37, 6 February 2007 (PST)

Yah ... o god so much work. And so much of it that is not that fun to me. I have opinions (always) but never the inclination to actually start the thing, just to nitpick about it after someone else does it. Are you a grammarian / punctuationist? If neither of us are we should try to recruit other people who are. I haven't been doing so well in recruiting. I'm going to do it at WisCon and also in Boston over the next few months -- host wiki workshops & teas in my home, that sort of thing. liz often has great ideas on this kind of thing too. maybe i should just post on the blog & ask for other suggestions.

aside from recruiting & getting other people onto this, there's a bunch of useful things under the "Special pages" (on the left) and in Category:About and all the stuff starting with FSFwiki:x -- I'm still learning all the features of mediawiki software. Luckily my current job will end in a couple of weeks & then I'm taking some time off & planning to do a lot of fsf stuff. --LQ 13:52, 6 February 2007 (PST)

louky bersianik

i'd love to see your thoughts on louky bersianik's euguelionne -- it's been years since i read it but it made a huge impact. you could read it in french & english! also you & liz henry & i should talk sometime about non-english-language stuff: should we do it in namespace or a separate subdomain the way wikipedia does it? or just in titles of things -- e.g., "Buffy (en)", "Buffy (sp)", "Buffy (fr)" ... --LQ 13:39, 7 February 2007 (PST)

I have read it (L'Euguélionne) ages ago (it was one of my formative feminist texts) in the original French (ma langue maternelle, après tout -- j'habite pas loin de l'auteure!), and I reread bits of it from time to time -- I have a mass-market paperback copy of it, with tiny print and small pages unsuitable for scanning or even being held open in order to quote from it (though the library has a hardback, which I'd originally read before buying my own copy), so referencing it is a bit difficult. It's a lovely, poetic text, extremely stirring and profound, but analysis-wise, less demonstrative than inspirational. I've seen English translations in used books stores -- the only one I bought was the one I mailed to Liz Henry. As for creating other versions of this Wiki. Oh, tabarnak. Ça n'en finirait plus... Je suis d'avis que -- I propose *this* version should be multi-lingual, to avoid redundancies and divisions and multiplication of labour. (I've already got a friend who refuses to contribute to this Wiki because it decentralises efforts away from the Wikipedia. ) Might be simpler to create a (number of) template(s) indicating what language is being used, if necessary. And let who will écrire en sa propre langue. --Ide Cyan 14:03, 7 February 2007 (PST)

Multilingual, yes; I wrote something on FSFwiki:Style Guide & would appreciate any wordsmithing / other thoughts; also some notes on FSFwiki:To Do List. ... You should tell your friend that this is an altogether different project. That wikipedia will only do notable, for instance, and we want completist for everything feminist or worthy of feminist analysis. So there, right there, is a distinguishing feature: Your friend can contribute anything "Wikipedian notable" to Wikipedia but also still contribute here. Also your friend can't contribute "feminist POV" stuff to wikipedia, because that's not "neutral point of view". ... I myself contribute lots and lots to wikipedia and to this project. See FSFwiki:Wikipedia for more. --LQ 14:36, 7 February 2007 (PST)

moving pages & talk pages

did you have to move the talk page separately on women attacking their lovers? usually it moves the talk page with the article ...? --LQ 20:47, 16 February 2007 (PST)

I only used one Move Page form, but it showed two separate actions. For some reason, there are pages where the Move form isn't the same as for the others, and the option to move the associated talk page is optional rather than automatic -- I think those are what's causing the Move to show up as two actions. --Ide Cyan 20:50, 16 February 2007 (PST)

• Hey, the next time you see one of those where it doesn't want to move the talk page automatically, don't actually click the final "move"; drop me a line & let me know it. I want to look at it to see if there's some permission or reason you don't have that option. --LQ 21:09, 16 February 2007 (PST)

If you go here you can see the same sort of thing I saw when I first moved it. Compare with with this one, for instance. Do you see the extra warnings and checkbox? I can make screencaps to show you, if you can't. --Ide Cyan 21:13, 16 February 2007 (PST)

I see the difference, thanks. The thing I notice here is that there is a talk page for women attacking, and there is no talk page for female friendships. So the lack of option-to-move-talk-page makes sense for Female Friendships. But there were some lower-case-moves you made that showed up in the recent-changes as two moves: one for the page and one for the talk. You shouldn't have to do them, if the check thing works. Or maybe it's just showing up twice in the change log and you're not? ... anyway I'm realizing that I'm practically incoherent with exhaustion, so apologies if i'm seeing problems that aren't there or not seeing what's obvious or not being clear or all of the above. i think i need to go to sleep now. (except i'm in ny tonight & my damn nyc roommate has his friends from france here & they're up late and i don't want to bug them because it's a rare thing to have friends from france & it's not their fault i'm 15 years older than them and getting somewhat curmudgeonly). ... maybe, if you are having any weird problems, just document them for me, and i'll try to figure out what's what in the a.m. when i'm more awake. but AFTER i do work-work. no more procrastination! --LQ 21:37, 16 February 2007 (PST)

SF or sf

• Somehow, been using "SF" as the standard; it was a typeface convention from making image files and whatnot for feministSF, but I think it's okay. --LQ 21:10, 16 February 2007 (PST)

categories

Hey Ide Cyan - User:Contributor just created some new categories (Black British, British, etc.). I raised a question on FSFwiki_talk:Categorization/Defaults about what kinds of categories should we have. I was thinking about gender and what kind of work people write (specifically, SF versus non-SF), but it's broader than that, and certainly applies to ethnicity, nationality, and other categories as well. It would be great to have those of us who work on FSFwiki think through some of the categorization issues. ... From Wikipedia, I've learned to be very restrained about categories, and use lists instead of categories, to create visibility. But we should really get a sense of what are the key features that we need automatic categories for. This is not a suggestion that we should not include gender, nationality, ethnicity, etc., sexuality, etc., of people, but rather a question of whether it's better to do it through categories or lists. Categories are easier to add initially, but lists are easier to maintain over time. Your thoughts would be welcome. --LQ 17:26, 21 March 2007 (PDT)

• More on categorization, because people are creating new categories all the time and I think it would be helpful to get folks who have been working on the wiki for a while and have a sense of what categories are useful for, or not, to think about this. if you haven't been thinking about categories structurally you've probably got a lot of experience to bring to bear on the issue, and if you have been, then your insights would be welcome. See FSFwiki talk:Categorization. --LQ 11:44, 25 April 2007 (PDT)

girl-woner

yes i am tired. i am so tired i made that typo. then i saw it and thought i should fix it. then i forgot about it again before i fixed it. tx & good night. --LQ 23:17, 1 June 2007 (PDT)

tx

tx ide - it makes it MUCH easier for me to quickly deal with the vandals. i had been thinking it was a malfunctioning spambot, but that doesn't explain the Abc0ef type logins which have now done the same behavior twice. anyway -- i've been really swamped this week so THANK you for doing this b/c otherwise i wouldn't have had time to deal with it. --LQ 09:17, 8 June 2007 (PDT)

I'm glad I can help! --Ide Cyan 18:05, 8 June 2007 (PDT)

randomness

hi ide cyan -- i am all on fire for the wiki again, inspired partly by tvtropes and frustration with wikipedia. i'd like to set up some kind of project or goal or topic or working project ("clear the redlinks") or something like that for march; got any ideas? --LQ 11:39, 14 February 2008 (PST)

Not really -- I tend to update when something occurs to me. I don't have any specific projects in mind. If you'd like to talk, you can reach me on Google Chat. --Ide Cyan 16:42, 26 February 2008 (PST)