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* [[Avalon's Willow]] (a pseudonym<ref>[http://seeking-avalon.blogspot.com/2006/08/about-seeking-avalon.html Seeking Avalon: About Seeking Avalon]</ref>) / [http://seeking-avalon.blogspot.com/ Seeking Avalon]  
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* [[zvi_likes_tv]] aka zvi, a writer of [[fan fiction]]<ref>[http://www.slashx-files.com/aboutme.html zvi reflects]</ref><ref>[http://zvi_likes_tv.livejournal.com/profile zvi_likes_tv LJ User Profile]</ref>
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Revision as of 07:02, 6 February 2009

RaceFail 09 is a term used to refer to an extended discussion of race and racism in science fiction books, culture, fandom, and criticism that began in January 2009. It has been called by many other names, including the Great Cultural Appropriation Debate of Doom 3 (or 2), and RaceFail 9000.

(Ed. note: A more positive name could highlight the community strength and backup shown... but so far it's mostly been described as "fail".)

Timeline

(There is a good outline of one on avalon's willow's blog -- also see discussion tab for notes on formatting and linking0)

January 8, 2009: Another shot at thinking about the Other by Jay Lake on LJ

This post came a few days before the main source of discussion in Elizabeth Bear's journal, and through it is not stated, may have contributed to her musings. Inspired by a discussion on The Edge of the American West about "speaking from cultural authority and presumed expertise." Lake expressed disdain for the idea that white writers don't have "standing" to use Aboriginal or First Nations material in their fiction. The comment thread, 78 responses long, was filled with fail. A lot of 101-level thinking.

January 12, 2009: whatever you're doing, you're probably wrong. by Elizabeth Bear on LJ

The main source of fail. Bear explains how to write The Other.

January 13, 2009: I Didn't Dream of Dragons by deepad on LJ

Not a direct response to Bear's post, but triggered by it. "...this is more my commentary on the Western, White novels and blogs I have been reading recently, and my experience as an Indian reader."

January 13, 2009: Open Letter: To Elizabeth Bear by Avalon's Willow on Seeking Avalon

A response to a thread in whatever you're doing, you're probably wrong.
I'm not calling you a monster. I'm not calling you a racist. But I am calling you clueless and ill worded and more than a touch thoughtless. Your ability to think about things, sometimes, does not erase my pain or lack.

January 14, 2009: real magic can never be made by offering up someone else's liver. by Elizabeth Bear on LJ

A response to Open Letter: To Elizabeth Bear in which Bear acknowledges that Avalon's Willow's criticism is valid. Comments start out badly ("Over sensitivity to perceived racism tends to result in the nit picking of words and sentence structure.") and go downhill quickly.

January 14, 2009: Untitled Post about Avalon's Willow's open letter to Bear by Sarah Monette on LJ

Acknowledges that intent and result do not always match up. Comments devolve into failfest, marked particularly by Macallister Stone and Emma Bull invalidating criticism because it isn't academic enough and also because some readers aren't as smart as the writers the criticize.

(some other stuff here)

January 26, 2009: I'm taking this about as well as you'd expect. by Teresa Nielsen Hayden on LJ (original is now friends-locked)

Teresa's response to Patrick's emotional state after been called on his comments. Original post and comments full of fail and including several problematic uses of language.

January 26, 2009: My only statement on the cultural appropriation imbroglio by David Levine on LJ

In response to Levine finding out why Patrick Nielsen Hayden deleted his LJ. With comments disabled, Levine proceeds to chide the "anti-racist" side for scaring him and other white writers off of writing characters of color and ends with "Is this what you wanted?"

January 27, 2009: The last comment that went up before I flocked the previous post. by Teresa Nielsen Hayden on LJ

A post meant to explain why the previous post disappeared for so many readers. Some conversations and fights continued in the comments here and include failure by Teresa to shut down problem comments and language because the people using said language were on her side.

Links and external references

(We could put in rydra_wong's enormous link list - ask first)


Participants / people involved

Terminology

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