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== Dramatis personae ==
== Dramatis personae ==


===Pseudonymous or Partly Pseudonymous===
* [[Avalon's Willow]] <ref>[http://seeking-avalon.blogspot.com/2006/08/about-seeking-avalon.html Seeking Avalon: About Seeking Avalon]</ref> / [http://seeking-avalon.blogspot.com/ Seeking Avalon]  
 
* [[Avalon's Willow]] (a pseudonym<ref>[http://seeking-avalon.blogspot.com/2006/08/about-seeking-avalon.html Seeking Avalon: About Seeking Avalon]</ref>) / [http://seeking-avalon.blogspot.com/ Seeking Avalon]  
* [[chopchica]] (a pseudonym<ref>[http://chopchica.livejournal.com/profile chopchica LJ User Profile]</ref>)
* [[ciderpress]] (a pseudonym<ref>[http://ciderpress.livejournal.com/profile ciderpress LJ User Profile]</ref>)
* [[coffeeandink]] aka "Micole" <ref>[http://coffeeandink.livejournal.com/profile coffeeandink LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[deepad]] aka "Deepa D."<ref>[http://deepad.livejournal.com/profile deepad LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[delux_vivens]] (a pseudonym<ref>[http://delux-vivens.livejournal.com/profile delux-vivens LJ User Profile]</ref>)
* [[oyceter]] (a pseudonym<ref>[http://oyceter.livejournal.com/profile oyceter LJ User Profile]</ref>)
* [[rydra_wong]] (a pseudonym<ref>[http://rydra-wong.livejournal.com/profile rydra-wong LJ User Profile]</ref>),:  compiled lists of links to posts on the subject, sometimes more than daily.
* [[sparkymonster]] (a pseudonym<ref>[http://sparkymonster.livejournal.com/profile sparkymonster LJ User Profile]</ref>)
* [[spiralsheep]] (a pseudonym<ref>[http://spiralsheep.livejournal.com/profile sparkymonster LJ User Profile]</ref>)
* [[vito_excalibur]] (a pseudonym<ref>[http://vito-excalibur.livejournal.com/profile vito-excalibur LJ User Profile]</ref>)
* [[yeloson]] (a pseudonym<ref>[http://yeloson.livejournal.com/profile yeloson LJ User Profile]</ref>)
* [[yonmei]] (a pseudonym<ref>[http://blogs.feministsf.net/?author=40 Yonmei's posts at Feminist SF - the blog]</ref>)
* [[zvi_likes_tv]] aka [[zvi]], a writer of [[fan fiction]]<ref>[http://www.slashx-files.com/aboutme.html zvi reflects]</ref><ref>[http://zvi_likes_tv.livejournal.com/profile zvi_likes_tv LJ User Profile]</ref>
 
===Identified by Name===
* [[kynn]] aka [[Kynn Bartlett]]<ref>[http://kynn.com/ kynn.com]</ref><ref>[http://kynn.livejournal.com/profile kynn LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[Elizabeth Bear]] aka [[Sarah Bear Elizabeth Wishnevsky]]<ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Bear Wlizabeth Bear Wikipedia entry]</ref> ([[matociquala]]<ref>[http://matociquala.livejournal.com/profile matociquala LJ User Profile]</ref> on LJ), a science fiction writer
* [[Elizabeth Bear]] aka [[Sarah Bear Elizabeth Wishnevsky]]<ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Bear Wlizabeth Bear Wikipedia entry]</ref> ([[matociquala]]<ref>[http://matociquala.livejournal.com/profile matociquala LJ User Profile]</ref> on LJ), a science fiction writer
* [[K. Tempest Bradford]] ([http://ktempest.livejournal.com/profile ktempest] on LJ), a science fiction writer<ref>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?K._Tempest_Bradford K. Tempest Bradford at the ISFDB]</ref>
* [[K. Tempest Bradford]] ([http://ktempest.livejournal.com/profile ktempest] on LJ), a science fiction writer<ref>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?K._Tempest_Bradford K. Tempest Bradford at the ISFDB]</ref>
* [[Emma Bull]] aka [[coffeem]]<ref>[http://coffeeem.livejournal.com/profile coffeeem LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[Emma Bull]] aka [[coffeem]]<ref>[http://coffeeem.livejournal.com/profile coffeeem LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[chopchica]] <ref>[http://chopchica.livejournal.com/profile chopchica LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[ciderpress]] <ref>[http://ciderpress.livejournal.com/profile ciderpress LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[coffeeandink]] aka "Micole" <ref>[http://coffeeandink.livejournal.com/profile coffeeandink LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[deepad]] aka "Deepa D."<ref>[http://deepad.livejournal.com/profile deepad LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[Mary Dell]] ([http://marydell.livejournal.com/profile marydell on LJ])
* [[Mary Dell]] ([http://marydell.livejournal.com/profile marydell on LJ])
* [[delux_vivens]] <ref>[http://delux-vivens.livejournal.com/profile delux-vivens LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[Luke Jackson]]<ref>[http://darkerblogistan.livejournal.com/profile darkerblogistan LJ profile]</ref> (participated pseudonymously as darkerblogistan; unmasked by kynn<ref>[http://kynn.com/next/2009/01/24/author-asshattery-luke-jackson/ Author Asshattery: Luke Jackson] by [[kynn]]</ref>)
* [[Luke Jackson]]<ref>[http://darkerblogistan.livejournal.com/profile darkerblogistan LJ profile]</ref> (participated pseudonymously as darkerblogistan; unmasked by kynn<ref>[http://kynn.com/next/2009/01/24/author-asshattery-luke-jackson/ Author Asshattery: Luke Jackson] by [[kynn]]</ref>)
* [[nojojojo]] aka [[Nora Jemison]] who writes as [[N. K. Jemisin]]<ref>[http://nkjemisin.com/my-fiction/ Epiphany 2.0 - Author NK Jemison]</ref><ref>[http://nojojojo.livejournal.com/profile nojojojo LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[Roz Kaveney]], ([http://rozk.livejournal.com/profile RozK] on LJ), transwoman journalist and publisher's adviser.
* [[kynn]] aka [[Kynn Bartlett]]<ref>[http://kynn.com/ kynn.com]</ref><ref>[http://kynn.livejournal.com/profile kynn LJ User Profile]</ref>* [[oyceter]] <ref>[http://oyceter.livejournal.com/profile oyceter LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[Jay Lake]] ([http://jaylake.livejournal.com/profile jaylake on LJ]), a science fiction writer
* [[Jay Lake]] ([http://jaylake.livejournal.com/profile jaylake on LJ]), a science fiction writer
* [[David Levine]] ([http://davidlevine.livejournal.com/154220.html davidlevine on LJ])
* [[David Levine]] ([http://davidlevine.livejournal.com/154220.html davidlevine on LJ])
* [[mac_stone]]<ref>[http://mac_stone.livejournal.com/profile mac_stone LJ User Profile]</ref> (identified as [[MacAllister Stone]]<ref>[http://www.macallisterstone.com/stones/ Stones in the Field]</ref> above)
* [[medievalist]] ( [[Lisa L. Spangenberg]]<ref>[http://medievalist.livejournal.com/profile medievalist LJ User Profile]</ref>)
* [[Sarah Monette]] aka [[truepenny]]<ref>[http://truepenny.livejournal.com/profile truepenny LJ user profile]</ref>, a science fiction writer
* [[Sarah Monette]] aka [[truepenny]]<ref>[http://truepenny.livejournal.com/profile truepenny LJ user profile]</ref>, a science fiction writer
* [[kate_nepveu]] ([[Kate Nepveu]]<ref>[http://kate_nepveu.livejournal.com/profile kate_nepveu LJ User Profile]</ref><ref>[http://www.steelypips.org/ steelypips.org]</ref><ref>[http://www.tor.com/index.php?option=com_comprofiler&user=5984 Kate Nepveu Tor.com user profile]</ref>)
* [[Teresa Nielsen Hayden]] ([http://tnh.livejournal.com/profile tnh] on LJ), a science fiction editor & BoingBoing's comment section moderator
*  [[Patrick Nielsen Hayden]] (formerly pnh on LJ; deleted account), a science fiction editor
*  [[Patrick Nielsen Hayden]] (formerly pnh on LJ; deleted account), a science fiction editor
* [[Teresa Nielsen Hayden]] ([http://tnh.livejournal.com/profile tnh] on LJ), a science fiction editor & BoingBoing's comment section moderator
* [[nojojojo]] aka [[Nora Jemison]] who writes as [[N. K. Jemisin]]<ref>[http://nkjemisin.com/my-fiction/ Epiphany 2.0 - Author NK Jemison]</ref><ref>[http://nojojojo.livejournal.com/profile nojojojo LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[Roz Kaveney]], ([http://rozk.livejournal.com/profile RozK] on LJ), transwoman journalist and publisher's adviser.
* [[rydra_wong]] <ref>[http://rydra-wong.livejournal.com/profile rydra-wong LJ User Profile]</ref>,:  compiled lists of links to posts on the subject, sometimes more than daily.
* [[kate_nepveu]] ([[Kate Nepveu]]<ref>[http://kate_nepveu.livejournal.com/profile kate_nepveu LJ User Profile]</ref><ref>[http://www.steelypips.org/ steelypips.org]</ref><ref>[http://www.tor.com/index.php?option=com_comprofiler&user=5984 Kate Nepveu Tor.com user profile]</ref>)
* [[medievalist]] ( [[Lisa L. Spangenberg]]<ref>[http://medievalist.livejournal.com/profile medievalist LJ User Profile]</ref>)
* [[Will Shetterly]] ([http://willshetterly.livejournal.com/profile willshetterly] on LJ), a science fiction writer
* [[Will Shetterly]] ([http://willshetterly.livejournal.com/profile willshetterly] on LJ), a science fiction writer
* [[mac_stone]]<ref>[http://mac_stone.livejournal.com/profile mac_stone LJ User Profile]</ref> (identified as [[MacAllister Stone]]<ref>[http://www.macallisterstone.com/stones/ Stones in the Field]</ref> above)
* [[sparkymonster]] <ref>[http://sparkymonster.livejournal.com/profile sparkymonster LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[spiralsheep]] <ref>[http://spiralsheep.livejournal.com/profile sparkymonster LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[vito_excalibur]] <ref>[http://vito-excalibur.livejournal.com/profile vito-excalibur LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[yeloson]] <ref>[http://yeloson.livejournal.com/profile yeloson LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[yonmei]] <ref>[http://blogs.feministsf.net/?author=40 Yonmei's posts at Feminist SF - the blog]</ref>
* [[zvi_likes_tv]] aka [[zvi]], a writer of [[fan fiction]]<ref>[http://www.slashx-files.com/aboutme.html zvi reflects]</ref><ref>[http://zvi_likes_tv.livejournal.com/profile zvi_likes_tv LJ User Profile]</ref>
 
 


== Terminology ==
== Terminology ==

Revision as of 09:45, 6 February 2009

RaceFail 09 is a term used to refer to an extended discussion of race and racism in science fiction books, culture, fandom, and criticism that began in January 2009. It has been called by many other names, including the Great Cultural Appropriation Debate of Doom 3 (or 2), and RaceFail 9000.

(Ed. note: A more positive name could highlight the community strength and backup shown... but so far it's mostly been described as "fail".)

Timeline

(There is a good outline of one on avalon's willow's blog -- also see discussion tab for notes on formatting and linking0)

January 8, 2009: Another shot at thinking about the Other by Jay Lake on LJ

This post came a few days before the main source of discussion in Elizabeth Bear's journal, and through it is not stated, may have contributed to her musings. Inspired by a discussion on The Edge of the American West about "speaking from cultural authority and presumed expertise." Lake expressed disdain for the idea that white writers don't have "standing" to use Aboriginal or First Nations material in their fiction. The comment thread, 78 responses long, was filled with fail. A lot of 101-level thinking.

January 12, 2009: whatever you're doing, you're probably wrong. by Elizabeth Bear on LJ

The main source of fail. Bear explains how to write The Other.

January 13, 2009: I Didn't Dream of Dragons by deepad on LJ

Not a direct response to Bear's post, but triggered by it. "...this is more my commentary on the Western, White novels and blogs I have been reading recently, and my experience as an Indian reader."

January 13, 2009: Open Letter: To Elizabeth Bear by Avalon's Willow on Seeking Avalon

A response to a thread in whatever you're doing, you're probably wrong.
I'm not calling you a monster. I'm not calling you a racist. But I am calling you clueless and ill worded and more than a touch thoughtless. Your ability to think about things, sometimes, does not erase my pain or lack.

January 14, 2009: real magic can never be made by offering up someone else's liver. by Elizabeth Bear on LJ

A response to Open Letter: To Elizabeth Bear in which Bear acknowledges that Avalon's Willow's criticism is valid. Comments start out badly ("Over sensitivity to perceived racism tends to result in the nit picking of words and sentence structure.") and go downhill quickly.

January 14, 2009: Untitled Post about Avalon's Willow's open letter to Bear by Sarah Monette on LJ

Acknowledges that intent and result do not always match up. Comments devolve into failfest, marked particularly by Macallister Stone and Emma Bull invalidating criticism because it isn't academic enough and also because some readers aren't as smart as the writers the criticize.

(some other stuff here) (including pnh and others commenting on chopchica's LJ in discussion of mac_stone's statements) (Patrick Nielsen Hayden deletes his pnh LJ)

January 26, 2009: I'm taking this about as well as you'd expect. by Teresa Nielsen Hayden on LJ (original is now friends-locked)

Teresa's response to Patrick's emotional state after been called on his comments. Original post and comments full of fail and including several problematic uses of language.

January 26, 2009: My only statement on the cultural appropriation imbroglio by David Levine on LJ

In response to Levine finding out why Patrick Nielsen Hayden deleted his LJ. With comments disabled, Levine proceeds to chide the "anti-racist" side for scaring him and other white writers off of writing characters of color and ends with "Is this what you wanted?"

January 27, 2009: The last comment that went up before I flocked the previous post. by Teresa Nielsen Hayden on LJ

A post meant to explain why the previous post disappeared for so many readers. Some conversations and fights continued in the comments here and include failure by Teresa to shut down problem comments and language because the people using said language were on her side.

Links and external references

Dramatis personae


Terminology

See Also

References

  1. ↑ Seeking Avalon: About Seeking Avalon
  2. ↑ Wlizabeth Bear Wikipedia entry
  3. ↑ matociquala LJ User Profile
  4. ↑ K. Tempest Bradford at the ISFDB
  5. ↑ coffeeem LJ User Profile
  6. ↑ chopchica LJ User Profile
  7. ↑ ciderpress LJ User Profile
  8. ↑ coffeeandink LJ User Profile
  9. ↑ deepad LJ User Profile
  10. ↑ delux-vivens LJ User Profile
  11. ↑ darkerblogistan LJ profile
  12. ↑ Author Asshattery: Luke Jackson by kynn
  13. ↑ kynn.com
  14. ↑ kynn LJ User Profile
  15. ↑ oyceter LJ User Profile
  16. ↑ mac_stone LJ User Profile
  17. ↑ Stones in the Field
  18. ↑ medievalist LJ User Profile
  19. ↑ truepenny LJ user profile
  20. ↑ kate_nepveu LJ User Profile
  21. ↑ steelypips.org
  22. ↑ Kate Nepveu Tor.com user profile
  23. ↑ Epiphany 2.0 - Author NK Jemison
  24. ↑ nojojojo LJ User Profile
  25. ↑ rydra-wong LJ User Profile
  26. ↑ sparkymonster LJ User Profile
  27. ↑ sparkymonster LJ User Profile
  28. ↑ vito-excalibur LJ User Profile
  29. ↑ yeloson LJ User Profile
  30. ↑ Yonmei's posts at Feminist SF - the blog
  31. ↑ zvi reflects
  32. ↑ zvi_likes_tv LJ User Profile
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