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RaceFail 09 is a term used to refer to an extended discussion of race and racism in science fiction books, culture, fandom, and criticism that began in January 2009. It has been called by many other names, including the Great Cultural Appropriation Debate of Doom 3 (or 2), and RaceFail 9000.   
'''RaceFail 09''' is a term used to refer to an extended discussion of race and [[racism]] in science fiction books, culture, fandom, and criticism that began in January 2009. It has been called by many other names, including the Great Cultural Appropriation Debate of Doom 3 (or 2), and RaceFail 9000.   


(Ed. note: A more positive name could highlight the community strength and backup shown... but so far it's mostly been described as "fail".)
(Ed. note: A more positive name could highlight the community strength and backup shown... but so far it's mostly been described as "fail".)
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January 8, 2009: [[Another shot at thinking about the Other]] by [[Jay Lake]] on [http://jaylake.livejournal.com/1692287.html LJ]
January 8, 2009: [[Another shot at thinking about the Other]] by [[Jay Lake]] on [http://jaylake.livejournal.com/1692287.html LJ]


:This post came a few days before the main source of discussion in Elizabeth Bear's journal, and through it is not stated, may have contributed to her musings.  Inspired by a discussion on ''The Edge of the American West'' about "speaking from cultural authority and presumed expertise."  Lake expressed disdain for the idea that white writers don't have "standing" to use Aboriginal or First Nations material in their fiction.  The comment thread, 78 responses long, was filled with fail.  A lot of 101-level thinking.
:This post came a few days before the main source of discussion in Elizabeth Bear's journal, and though it is not stated, may have contributed to her musings.  Inspired by a discussion on ''The Edge of the American West'' about "speaking from cultural authority and presumed expertise."  Lake expressed disdain for the idea that white writers don't have "standing" to use Aboriginal or First Nations material in their fiction.  The comment thread, 78 responses long, was filled with fail.  A lot of 101-level thinking.


January 12, 2009: [[whatever you're doing, you're probably wrong.]] by [[Elizabeth Bear]] on [http://matociquala.livejournal.com/1544111.html LJ]
January 12, 2009: [[whatever you're doing, you're probably wrong.]] by [[Elizabeth Bear]] on [http://matociquala.livejournal.com/1544111.html LJ].


:The main source of fail.  Bear explains how to write The Other.
:Bear explains her thoughts on writing "The Other", and advises other writer on how to write diverse characters without [[tokenizing]] them. In the comments, many writers agree and thank her for bringing up the subject.  Questioning and of Bear's positioning of her white [[privilege]] and her understanding of [[intersectionality]] begins [http://matociquala.livejournal.com/1544111.html?thread=30738095#t30738095 in this comments thread] by [[deepad]], [[rydra_wong]], [[shewhohashope]], [[Avalon's Willow]], and others.


January 13, 2009: [[I Didn't Dream of Dragons]] by [[deepad]] on [http://deepad.livejournal.com/29656.html LJ]
January 13, 2009: [[I Didn't Dream of Dragons]] by [[deepad]] on [http://deepad.livejournal.com/29656.html LJ]
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:A response to [[Open Letter: To Elizabeth Bear]] in which Bear acknowledges that [[Avalon's Willow]]'s criticism is valid.  Comments start out badly ("Over sensitivity to perceived racism tends to result in the nit picking of words and sentence structure.") and go downhill quickly.
:A response to [[Open Letter: To Elizabeth Bear]] in which Bear acknowledges that [[Avalon's Willow]]'s criticism is valid.  Comments start out badly ("Over sensitivity to perceived racism tends to result in the nit picking of words and sentence structure.") and go downhill quickly.
January 14, 2009: [http://medievalist.livejournal.com/39227.html The Magical Other], in which  [[medievalist]] posts an explanation of phouka mythology in relation to ''[[Blood & Iron]]'' on [http://medievalist.livejournal.com/39227.html her LJ]. Post & discussion later [[flock|flocked]] or made private, then unlocked again.
:In [http://medievalist.livejournal.com/39227.html?thread=193339#t193339 a comment] left on Jan 16 below that entry, [[medievalist]] attacks [[Avalon's Willow]], saying among other things that "She's engaging in [[orcing]], performance art and pretty much [[blog-whoring]]."


January 14, 2009: [[Untitled Post about Avalon's Willow's open letter to Bear]] by [[Sarah Monette]] on [http://truepenny.livejournal.com/625351.html LJ]
January 14, 2009: [[Untitled Post about Avalon's Willow's open letter to Bear]] by [[Sarah Monette]] on [http://truepenny.livejournal.com/625351.html LJ]


:Acknowledges that intent and result do not always match up.  Comments devolve into failfest, marked particularly by [[Macallister Stone]] and [[Emma Bull]] invalidating criticism because it isn't academic enough and also because some readers aren't as smart as the writers the criticize.
:Acknowledges that intent and result do not always match up.  Comments devolve into failfest, marked particularly by [[Macallister Stone]], [[medievalist]] and [[Emma Bull]] invalidating criticism because it isn't academic enough and also because some readers aren't as smart as the writers they criticize.
 
mac_stone's post about child abuse, which gave a checklist of warning signs that a person is abusive, and compared the critiques of mac_stone in LJ comments to emotional abuse patterns, including attributing intentions of meaning to a person that they deny, ie [[false consciousness]].  (pnh may have commented on this post about people not being smart). (screencaps anyone?)


(some other stuff here)
(some other stuff here)
(including pnh and others commenting on chopchica's LJ in discussion of mac_stone's statements)
 
January 19, 2009: [[copracat]], assuming pnh's comment on mac_stone's post was made with [http://zvi-likes-tv.livejournal.com/487308.html?thread=2088076#t2088076 knowledge of the context of discussion being held], posted about it [http://copracat.livejournal.com/449470.html in her LJ]. The comments to this post appear to be pnh's only remaining public comments in RaceFail 09.
 
(including pnh and others commenting on copracat's LJ in discussion of mac_stone's statements)
(Patrick Nielsen Hayden deletes his pnh LJ)
(Patrick Nielsen Hayden deletes his pnh LJ)


January 26, 2009: [[I'm taking this about as well as you'd expect.]] by [[Teresa Nielsen Hayden]] on [http://tnh.livejournal.com/6256.html LJ] (original is now friends-locked)
January 26, 2009: [[I'm taking this about as well as you'd expect.]] by [[Teresa Nielsen Hayden]] on [http://www.freezepage.com/1232982493SXILEBRINI LJ]<ref>[http://tnh.livejournal.com/6256.html Teresa Nielsen Hayden's original post on LJ]: now [[flock|friends-locked]].</ref>


:Teresa's response to Patrick's emotional state after been called on his comments.  Original post and comments full of fail and including several problematic uses of language.
:Teresa's response to Patrick's emotional state after been called on his comments.  Original post and comments full of fail and including several problematic uses of language.
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:A post meant to explain why the previous post disappeared for so many readers.  Some conversations and fights continued in the comments here and include failure by Teresa to shut down problem comments and language because the people using said language were on her side.
:A post meant to explain why the previous post disappeared for so many readers.  Some conversations and fights continued in the comments here and include failure by Teresa to shut down problem comments and language because the people using said language were on her side.
(Include some of the apologies made by Bear, Monette, Shetterly, and others)


== Links and external references ==
== Links and external references ==


*[http://rydra-wong.livejournal.com/146697.html Rydra Wong's list of over two hundred posts constituting RaceFail '09]
* [http://seeking-avalon.blogspot.com/2009/01/timeline.html Timeline from SeekingAvalon] as of 1/29
* [http://rydra-wong.livejournal.com/146697.html Rydra Wong's list of over two hundred posts constituting RaceFail '09] (as of 2/4)
* [http://rydra-wong.livejournal.com/155427.html Rydra Wong's summary as of 3/5]
* [http://aqueductpress.blogspot.com/2009/01/great-cultural-appropriation-debate-of.html Aqueduct Link RoundUp]
* [http://www.fanhistory.com/wiki/Race_Fail_2009 fanhistory links]


== Dramatis personae ==
== Dramatis personae ==


* [[Avalon's Willow]] <ref>[http://seeking-avalon.blogspot.com/2006/08/about-seeking-avalon.html Seeking Avalon: About Seeking Avalon]</ref> / [http://seeking-avalon.blogspot.com/ Seeking Avalon]  
* [[Avalon's Willow]] <ref>[http://seeking-avalon.blogspot.com/2006/08/about-seeking-avalon.html Seeking Avalon: About Seeking Avalon]</ref> / [http://seeking-avalon.blogspot.com/ Seeking Avalon]  
* [[Elizabeth Bear]] aka [[Sarah Bear Elizabeth Wishnevsky]]<ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Bear Wlizabeth Bear Wikipedia entry]</ref> ([[matociquala]]<ref>[http://matociquala.livejournal.com/profile matociquala LJ User Profile]</ref> on LJ), a science fiction writer
* [[kynn|Kynn Bartlett]]<ref>[http://kynn.com/ kynn.com]</ref><ref>[http://kynn.livejournal.com/profile kynn LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[K. Tempest Bradford]] ([http://ktempest.livejournal.com/profile ktempest] on LJ), a science fiction writer<ref>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?K._Tempest_Bradford K. Tempest Bradford at the ISFDB]</ref>
* [[Elizabeth Bear]]<ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Bear Elizabeth Bear Wikipedia entry]</ref> ([[matociquala]]<ref>[http://matociquala.livejournal.com/profile matociquala LJ User Profile]</ref> on LJ), a science fiction writer
* [[Emma Bull]] aka [[coffeem]]<ref>[http://coffeeem.livejournal.com/profile coffeeem LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[K. Tempest Bradford]] ([[ktempest]] on LJ<ref>[http://ktempest.livejournal.com/profile ktempest] on LJ</ref>), a science fiction & fantasy writer<ref>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?K._Tempest_Bradford K. Tempest Bradford at the ISFDB]</ref>
* [[Emma Bull]] aka [[coffeem]]<ref>[http://coffeeem.livejournal.com/profile coffeeem LJ User Profile]</ref>, a science fiction & fantasy writer
* [[chopchica]] <ref>[http://chopchica.livejournal.com/profile chopchica LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[chopchica]] <ref>[http://chopchica.livejournal.com/profile chopchica LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[ciderpress]] <ref>[http://ciderpress.livejournal.com/profile ciderpress LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[ciderpress]] <ref>[http://ciderpress.livejournal.com/profile ciderpress LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[coffeeandink]] aka "Micole" <ref>[http://coffeeandink.livejournal.com/profile coffeeandink LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[coffeeandink]] <ref>[http://coffeeandink.livejournal.com/profile coffeeandink LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[copracat]] "<ref>[http://copracat.livejournal.com/profile copracat LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[deepad]] aka "Deepa D."<ref>[http://deepad.livejournal.com/profile deepad LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[deepad]] aka "Deepa D."<ref>[http://deepad.livejournal.com/profile deepad LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[Mary Dell]] ([http://marydell.livejournal.com/profile marydell on LJ])
* [[Mary Dell]] ([[marydell]]<ref>[http://marydell.livejournal.com/profile marydell on LJ]</ref>)
* [[delux_vivens]] <ref>[http://delux-vivens.livejournal.com/profile delux-vivens LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[delux_vivens]] <ref>[http://delux-vivens.livejournal.com/profile delux-vivens LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[Luke Jackson]]<ref>[http://darkerblogistan.livejournal.com/profile darkerblogistan LJ profile]</ref> (participated pseudonymously as darkerblogistan; unmasked by kynn<ref>[http://kynn.com/next/2009/01/24/author-asshattery-luke-jackson/ Author Asshattery: Luke Jackson] by [[kynn]]</ref>)
* [[Luke Jackson]] (participated pseudonymously as [[darkerblogistan]]<ref>[http://darkerblogistan.livejournal.com/profile darkerblogistan LJ profile]</ref> and [[igorsanchez]]<ref>[http://igorsanchez.livejournal.com/profile igorsanchez LJ profile]</ref>; unmasked by kynn<ref>[http://kynn.com/next/2009/01/24/author-asshattery-luke-jackson/ Author Asshattery: Luke Jackson] by [[kynn]]</ref>)
* [[Roz Kaveney]], ([http://rozk.livejournal.com/profile RozK] on LJ), transwoman journalist and publisher's adviser.
* [[Roz Kaveney]], ([http://rozk.livejournal.com/profile RozK] on LJ), transwoman journalist and publisher's adviser.
* [[kynn]] aka [[Kynn Bartlett]]<ref>[http://kynn.com/ kynn.com]</ref><ref>[http://kynn.livejournal.com/profile kynn LJ User Profile]</ref>* [[oyceter]] <ref>[http://oyceter.livejournal.com/profile oyceter LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[Jay Lake]] ([[jaylake]]<ref>[http://jaylake.livejournal.com/profile jaylake on LJ]</ref>), a science fiction writer
* [[Jay Lake]] ([http://jaylake.livejournal.com/profile jaylake on LJ]), a science fiction writer
* [[David Levine]] ([[davidlevine]]<ref>[http://davidlevine.livejournal.com/154220.html davidlevine on LJ]</ref>), a science fiction writer
* [[David Levine]] ([http://davidlevine.livejournal.com/154220.html davidlevine on LJ])
* [[mac_stone]]<ref>[http://mac_stone.livejournal.com/profile mac_stone LJ User Profile]</ref> (identified as [[MacAllister Stone]]<ref>[http://www.macallisterstone.com/stones/ Stones in the Field]</ref> above)
* [[mac_stone]]<ref>[http://mac_stone.livejournal.com/profile mac_stone LJ User Profile]</ref> (identified as [[MacAllister Stone]]<ref>[http://www.macallisterstone.com/stones/ Stones in the Field]</ref> above)
* [[medievalist]] ( [[Lisa L. Spangenberg]]<ref>[http://medievalist.livejournal.com/profile medievalist LJ User Profile]</ref>)
* [[medievalist]] ( [[Lisa L. Spangenberg]]<ref>[http://medievalist.livejournal.com/profile medievalist LJ User Profile]</ref>)
* [[Sarah Monette]] aka [[truepenny]]<ref>[http://truepenny.livejournal.com/profile truepenny LJ user profile]</ref>, a science fiction writer
* [[Sarah Monette]] aka [[truepenny]]<ref>[http://truepenny.livejournal.com/profile truepenny LJ user profile]</ref>, a science fiction writer
* [[kate_nepveu]] ([[Kate Nepveu]]<ref>[http://kate_nepveu.livejournal.com/profile kate_nepveu LJ User Profile]</ref><ref>[http://www.steelypips.org/ steelypips.org]</ref><ref>[http://www.tor.com/index.php?option=com_comprofiler&user=5984 Kate Nepveu Tor.com user profile]</ref>)
* [[kate_nepveu]] ([[Kate Nepveu]]<ref>[http://kate_nepveu.livejournal.com/profile kate_nepveu LJ User Profile]</ref><ref>[http://www.steelypips.org/ steelypips.org]</ref><ref>[http://www.tor.com/index.php?option=com_comprofiler&user=5984 Kate Nepveu Tor.com user profile]</ref>)
* [[Teresa Nielsen Hayden]] ([http://tnh.livejournal.com/profile tnh] on LJ), a science fiction editor & BoingBoing's comment section moderator
* [[Teresa Nielsen Hayden]] ([[tnh]]<ref>[http://tnh.livejournal.com/profile tnh] on LJ</ref>), a science fiction editor & [[BoingBoing]]'s comment section moderator
*  [[Patrick Nielsen Hayden]] (formerly pnh on LJ; deleted account), a science fiction editor
*  [[Patrick Nielsen Hayden]] (formerly [[pnh]] on LJ; deleted account), a science fiction editor
* [[nojojojo]] aka [[Nora Jemison]] who writes as [[N. K. Jemisin]]<ref>[http://nkjemisin.com/my-fiction/ Epiphany 2.0 - Author NK Jemison]</ref><ref>[http://nojojojo.livejournal.com/profile nojojojo LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[nojojojo]] aka [[N. K. Jemisin]]<ref>[http://nkjemisin.com Epiphany 2.0 - Author NK Jemisin]</ref><ref>[http://nojojojo.livejournal.com/profile nojojojo LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[oyceter]] <ref>[http://oyceter.livejournal.com/profile oyceter LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[rydra_wong]] <ref>[http://rydra-wong.livejournal.com/profile rydra-wong LJ User Profile]</ref>,:  compiled lists of links to posts on the subject, sometimes more than daily.
* [[rydra_wong]] <ref>[http://rydra-wong.livejournal.com/profile rydra-wong LJ User Profile]</ref>,:  compiled lists of links to posts on the subject, sometimes more than daily.
* [[Will Shetterly]] ([http://willshetterly.livejournal.com/profile willshetterly] on LJ), a science fiction writer
* [[Will Shetterly]] ([[willshetterly]]<ref>[http://willshetterly.livejournal.com/profile willshetterly] on LJ</ref>), a science fiction writer
* [[sparkymonster]] <ref>[http://sparkymonster.livejournal.com/profile sparkymonster LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[sparkymonster]] <ref>[http://sparkymonster.livejournal.com/profile sparkymonster LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[spiralsheep]] <ref>[http://spiralsheep.livejournal.com/profile sparkymonster LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[spiralsheep]] <ref>[http://spiralsheep.livejournal.com/profile spiralsheep LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[vito_excalibur]] <ref>[http://vito-excalibur.livejournal.com/profile vito-excalibur LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[tacky_tramp]] <ref>[http://tacky_tramp.livejournal.com/profile tacky_tramp LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[vito_excalibur]] <ref>[http://vito-excalibur.livejournal.com/profile vito_excalibur LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[yeloson]] <ref>[http://yeloson.livejournal.com/profile yeloson LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[yeloson]] <ref>[http://yeloson.livejournal.com/profile yeloson LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[yonmei]] <ref>[http://blogs.feministsf.net/?author=40 Yonmei's posts at Feminist SF - the blog]</ref>
* [[yonmei]] <ref>[http://blogs.feministsf.net/?author=40 Yonmei's posts at Feminist SF - the blog]</ref>
* [[zvi_likes_tv]] aka [[zvi]], a writer of [[fan fiction]]<ref>[http://www.slashx-files.com/aboutme.html zvi reflects]</ref><ref>[http://zvi_likes_tv.livejournal.com/profile zvi_likes_tv LJ User Profile]</ref>
* [[zvi_likes_tv]] aka [[zvi]], a writer of [[fan fiction]]<ref>[http://www.slashx-files.com/aboutme.html zvi reflects]</ref><ref>[http://zvi_likes_tv.livejournal.com/profile zvi_likes_tv LJ User Profile]</ref>


== Terminology ==
== Terminology ==
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* [[white women's tears]]
* [[white women's tears]]
* [[privilege]]
* [[privilege]]
* [[flock]] (read as F-lock), locking a post to be friends-only
* [[flock]] (read as F-lock), locking a post to be friends-only (on LiveJournal)
* [[friending]] and defriending - terms in social media
* [[friending]] and defriending - terms in social media
* [[fail]]
* [[fail]]
* [[trolling]]
* [[troll]] or [[trolling]]
* [[blog-whoring]]
* [[pseudonyms]]
* [[LiveJournal]] or LJ, an online blogging platform and social networking website
* [[pantslessness]] or "not wearing pants" or "showing one's ass"


== See Also ==
== See Also ==
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* [[Cultural Appropriation Revisited (WisCon 31 panel)‎]]
* [[Cultural Appropriation Revisited (WisCon 31 panel)‎]]
* [[cultural appropriation]]
* [[cultural appropriation]]
* [[Harry Potter miscegenation prompt]] - racist fic prompt from a fanfic community


==References==
==References==
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Latest revision as of 13:12, 29 November 2010

RaceFail 09 is a term used to refer to an extended discussion of race and racism in science fiction books, culture, fandom, and criticism that began in January 2009. It has been called by many other names, including the Great Cultural Appropriation Debate of Doom 3 (or 2), and RaceFail 9000.

(Ed. note: A more positive name could highlight the community strength and backup shown... but so far it's mostly been described as "fail".)

Timeline

(There is a good outline of one on avalon's willow's blog -- also see discussion tab for notes on formatting and linking0)

January 8, 2009: Another shot at thinking about the Other by Jay Lake on LJ

This post came a few days before the main source of discussion in Elizabeth Bear's journal, and though it is not stated, may have contributed to her musings. Inspired by a discussion on The Edge of the American West about "speaking from cultural authority and presumed expertise." Lake expressed disdain for the idea that white writers don't have "standing" to use Aboriginal or First Nations material in their fiction. The comment thread, 78 responses long, was filled with fail. A lot of 101-level thinking.

January 12, 2009: whatever you're doing, you're probably wrong. by Elizabeth Bear on LJ.

Bear explains her thoughts on writing "The Other", and advises other writer on how to write diverse characters without tokenizing them. In the comments, many writers agree and thank her for bringing up the subject. Questioning and of Bear's positioning of her white privilege and her understanding of intersectionality begins in this comments thread by deepad, rydra_wong, shewhohashope, Avalon's Willow, and others.

January 13, 2009: I Didn't Dream of Dragons by deepad on LJ

Not a direct response to Bear's post, but triggered by it. "...this is more my commentary on the Western, White novels and blogs I have been reading recently, and my experience as an Indian reader."

January 13, 2009: Open Letter: To Elizabeth Bear by Avalon's Willow on Seeking Avalon

A response to a thread in whatever you're doing, you're probably wrong.
I'm not calling you a monster. I'm not calling you a racist. But I am calling you clueless and ill worded and more than a touch thoughtless. Your ability to think about things, sometimes, does not erase my pain or lack.

January 14, 2009: real magic can never be made by offering up someone else's liver. by Elizabeth Bear on LJ

A response to Open Letter: To Elizabeth Bear in which Bear acknowledges that Avalon's Willow's criticism is valid. Comments start out badly ("Over sensitivity to perceived racism tends to result in the nit picking of words and sentence structure.") and go downhill quickly.

January 14, 2009: The Magical Other, in which medievalist posts an explanation of phouka mythology in relation to Blood & Iron on her LJ. Post & discussion later flocked or made private, then unlocked again.

In a comment left on Jan 16 below that entry, medievalist attacks Avalon's Willow, saying among other things that "She's engaging in orcing, performance art and pretty much blog-whoring."

January 14, 2009: Untitled Post about Avalon's Willow's open letter to Bear by Sarah Monette on LJ

Acknowledges that intent and result do not always match up. Comments devolve into failfest, marked particularly by Macallister Stone, medievalist and Emma Bull invalidating criticism because it isn't academic enough and also because some readers aren't as smart as the writers they criticize.

mac_stone's post about child abuse, which gave a checklist of warning signs that a person is abusive, and compared the critiques of mac_stone in LJ comments to emotional abuse patterns, including attributing intentions of meaning to a person that they deny, ie false consciousness. (pnh may have commented on this post about people not being smart). (screencaps anyone?)

(some other stuff here)

January 19, 2009: copracat, assuming pnh's comment on mac_stone's post was made with knowledge of the context of discussion being held, posted about it in her LJ. The comments to this post appear to be pnh's only remaining public comments in RaceFail 09.

(including pnh and others commenting on copracat's LJ in discussion of mac_stone's statements) (Patrick Nielsen Hayden deletes his pnh LJ)

January 26, 2009: I'm taking this about as well as you'd expect. by Teresa Nielsen Hayden on LJ[1]

Teresa's response to Patrick's emotional state after been called on his comments. Original post and comments full of fail and including several problematic uses of language.

January 26, 2009: My only statement on the cultural appropriation imbroglio by David Levine on LJ

In response to Levine finding out why Patrick Nielsen Hayden deleted his LJ. With comments disabled, Levine proceeds to chide the "anti-racist" side for scaring him and other white writers off of writing characters of color and ends with "Is this what you wanted?"

January 27, 2009: The last comment that went up before I flocked the previous post. by Teresa Nielsen Hayden on LJ

A post meant to explain why the previous post disappeared for so many readers. Some conversations and fights continued in the comments here and include failure by Teresa to shut down problem comments and language because the people using said language were on her side.

(Include some of the apologies made by Bear, Monette, Shetterly, and others)

Links and external references

Dramatis personae

Terminology

See Also

References

  1. ↑ Teresa Nielsen Hayden's original post on LJ: now friends-locked.
  2. ↑ Seeking Avalon: About Seeking Avalon
  3. ↑ kynn.com
  4. ↑ kynn LJ User Profile
  5. ↑ Elizabeth Bear Wikipedia entry
  6. ↑ matociquala LJ User Profile
  7. ↑ ktempest on LJ
  8. ↑ K. Tempest Bradford at the ISFDB
  9. ↑ coffeeem LJ User Profile
  10. ↑ chopchica LJ User Profile
  11. ↑ ciderpress LJ User Profile
  12. ↑ coffeeandink LJ User Profile
  13. ↑ copracat LJ User Profile
  14. ↑ deepad LJ User Profile
  15. ↑ marydell on LJ
  16. ↑ delux-vivens LJ User Profile
  17. ↑ darkerblogistan LJ profile
  18. ↑ igorsanchez LJ profile
  19. ↑ Author Asshattery: Luke Jackson by kynn
  20. ↑ jaylake on LJ
  21. ↑ davidlevine on LJ
  22. ↑ mac_stone LJ User Profile
  23. ↑ Stones in the Field
  24. ↑ medievalist LJ User Profile
  25. ↑ truepenny LJ user profile
  26. ↑ kate_nepveu LJ User Profile
  27. ↑ steelypips.org
  28. ↑ Kate Nepveu Tor.com user profile
  29. ↑ tnh on LJ
  30. ↑ Epiphany 2.0 - Author NK Jemisin
  31. ↑ nojojojo LJ User Profile
  32. ↑ oyceter LJ User Profile
  33. ↑ rydra-wong LJ User Profile
  34. ↑ willshetterly on LJ
  35. ↑ sparkymonster LJ User Profile
  36. ↑ spiralsheep LJ User Profile
  37. ↑ tacky_tramp LJ User Profile
  38. ↑ vito_excalibur LJ User Profile
  39. ↑ yeloson LJ User Profile
  40. ↑ Yonmei's posts at Feminist SF - the blog
  41. ↑ zvi reflects
  42. ↑ zvi_likes_tv LJ User Profile
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